luckymucklebackit Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 If you thought storm Eleanor gave the UK disruption, in Europe the wind is giving big problems - check out the photo of the railway carriage on its side, blown over by the wind http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42561745 I think it is the Montreux Oberland Bernois Railway. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 It is and it's one of their driving trailers. Hope they were ok as I can't see anything about injuries. https://goo.gl/images/V7kwSt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theonlydt Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 It is and it's one of their driving trailers. Hope they were ok as I can't see anything about injuries. https://goo.gl/images/V7kwSt Wikipedia entry quotes eight injured, but, you know, it's wikipedia... Assume narrow gauge more likely to tip over in winds such as these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 It is metre gauge but they are proportionally smaller so there shouldn't be much more chance than a taller standard gauge vehicle. The driving trailer is going to be pretty heavy compared to a standard coach too with the extra control gear. I suspect this was more than just pure wind due to its angle off the track and only one coach off from the set in a fairly open area. Ice or wind blown debris on the track combined with the wind is more likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 It isn't the first time that such a thing has happened. A charter train on the Esquel line (76cm gauge) in Argentina was blown over back in 2011. In that instance, a slightly higher line speed combined with an extra strong gust of wind appears to have been the cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) It's confirmed the injuries are minor so here's the link with the video in it. https://mobile2.tagesanzeiger.ch/articles/5a4cd776ab5c376aab000001 Edited January 5, 2018 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2018 It isn't the first time that such a thing has happened. A charter train on the Esquel line (76cm gauge) in Argentina was blown over back in 2011. In that instance, a slightly higher line speed combined with an extra strong gust of wind appears to have been the cause. It isn't the first time it's happened in Switzerland, either - I remember reading of a similar incident on a narrow gauge line a few years ago. I tried Googling to recall the details, but couldn't find it. I had in mind the Appenzellerbahn, but that may not be correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 There was the blow-over at Owencarrow on the Irish 3' gauge - unfortunately Railways Archive only has the summary but it's described by one or both of Rolt and Nock. http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=91 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Happens in North America, too. Here are a couple of live videos of it actually happening: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 It was identified as a risk when Eurotunnel were designing their system, particularly with regard to the long loop from the French portal to the platforms; it was identified that there was a potential risk of stock being blown over on the curved section if the wind-force was high enough. To this end, anemometers were installed at various points, connected to a series of warning lamps in the Control Centres; should the 'right' combination of force and direction occur, then operation 'en-tiroir' is put in place. All arrivals and departures in the UK are via the Arrival fan, whilst French arrivals and departures are via the Departure fan. This is a mode of operation that is difficult to sustain for long in unplanned circumstances, as the normal cycle time for trains of 2 hours is extended by about 20 minutes, due to the need for the train to be closed after unloading, a short brake-test carried out, and the train reopened for re-loading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2018 I remember seeing that "Train vs Tornado" one before the way that tank wagon comes bouncing out of the murk is plain scary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordonwis Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 It isn't the first time it's happened in Switzerland, either - I remember reading of a similar incident on a narrow gauge line a few years ago. I tried Googling to recall the details, but couldn't find it. I had in mind the Appenzellerbahn, but that may not be correct. Yes that is correct. Here is the French language report with the video. http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/story/Un-wagon-deraille-a-La-Lenk--plusieurs-blesses-19108130 incredible that someone was filming at that moment . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2018 It was identified as a risk when Eurotunnel were designing their system, particularly with regard to the long loop from the French portal to the platforms; it was identified that there was a potential risk of stock being blown over on the curved section if the wind-force was high enough. To this end, anemometers were installed at various points, connected to a series of warning lamps in the Control Centres; should the 'right' combination of force and direction occur, then operation 'en-tiroir' is put in place. All arrivals and departures in the UK are via the Arrival fan, whilst French arrivals and departures are via the Departure fan. This is a mode of operation that is difficult to sustain for long in unplanned circumstances, as the normal cycle time for trains of 2 hours is extended by about 20 minutes, due to the need for the train to be closed after unloading, a short brake-test carried out, and the train reopened for re-loading. The ET amended timetable for such events used to be called 'Grand Vent' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 The ET amended timetable for such events used to be called 'Grand Vent' As opposed to 'Grande Ventre'... I must have a look for this timetable as, on the one occasion that I had to worked unplanned en-tiroir (due to a tamper having cut a collection of signalling cables), I had to make it up as I went along. The problem started on a Saturday morning, finishing after lunch on the Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2018 As opposed to 'Grande Ventre'... I must have a look for this timetable as, on the one occasion that I had to worked unplanned en-tiroir (due to a tamper having cut a collection of signalling cables), I had to make it up as I went along. The problem started on a Saturday morning, finishing after lunch on the Sunday. I am going back quite a few years Brian but you might find that planning still have a copy of it - they were forever trotting out the threat of it and David did once show me a copy but that is probably about 20 years back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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