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#126 Harlequin

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 08:26

Hello Phil - that's looking nice

 

- you obviously have a bit more room to play with than me for your 'edifice' - mine is the Peco 'Manyways' station and stationmasters house.

I like the idea of a 'tearoom'  did that come from Helston by any chance?

I have spent a fair bit of time recently studying 1950/60 photos of the terminus, especially its signalling, such a shame it was all closed. 

 

In case you were wondering, my username on here is a contraction of "Signalling Technician" my previous employment before retiring...

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Thanks!

 

I haven't found Helston station building yet but I'll certainly go and have a look now.

 

The idea for the tearoom (or "refreshments room" as I'm now calling it) came from the back-story of Hampton Malstead. After the original broad gauge train shed burned down, severely damaging part of the original station building, the company decided to build a new improved facility. They wanted to provide better accommodation for staff members on site and improve the service for the many visitors who passed through the station.

 

It's really interesting trying to put together a building in a Victorian style compared to a contemporary building. Thick walls, fireplaces and chimneys everywhere, little or no internal sanitation... :-)


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 20:39

Hi Phil, I think the building at Helston station which was attached to its end, was called a 'Refreshments Room, so you will be correct.!

Take it you have found all the photos of the line by now...

 

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 14:17

Hello Phil

In case you hadn't found it, here is the url for info on the Helston branch.

 

http://www.cornwallr...ton-branch.html

 

I hope it is useful - the pictures are wonderful...

 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 00:47

I have done some research into GWR station buildings and bought the wonderful book, "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Architecture" by A Vaughan.

 

I realised that my previous ideas for the station building at Hampton Malstead were not typical of GWR station buildings - they were a bit overblown and 1860s in style so wouldn't fit my imaginary timeline.

 

I imagine that the broad gauge train shed at Hampton Malstead burned down in 1883. The station building itself was repaired and continued to be used for a while but it was quickly realised that the building would have to be replaced and that the opportunity could be taken to make improvements to cater for the increasing numbers of tourists.

 

The result was the following, completed in 1886 somewhat in the style of the main station building at Weston-Super-Mare, possibly designed under the supervision of Francis Fox, ex Chief Engineer of the Bristol and Exeter:

HM Station Building 12.png

 

The next job is to produce some elevations.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:43

Do you think the traffic would warrant a refreshment room?   WSM was always a busy station and would do a good trade in refreshments but unless there was no pub anywhere near I wonder where the trade would come from?



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:58

Do you think the traffic would warrant a refreshment room?   WSM was always a busy station and would do a good trade in refreshments but unless there was no pub anywhere near I wonder where the trade would come from?

 

Yes, the fiction is that HM was slightly larger than MH and famed for it's location in beautiful moorland scenery. The station is slightly removed from the town and the GWR ran motor bus tours for day-trippers coming up from Torbay.

 

The refreshment room may not have been part of the original 1886 building but I will be modelling it in the mid-1930s and it was certainly present by then.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 14:25

I have done some research into GWR station buildings and bought the wonderful book, "A Pictorial Record of Great Western Architecture" by A Vaughan.

 

I realised that my previous ideas for the station building at Hampton Malstead were not typical of GWR station buildings - they were a bit overblown and 1860s in style so wouldn't fit my imaginary timeline.

 

I imagine that the broad gauge train shed at Hampton Malstead burned down in 1883. The station building itself was repaired and continued to be used for a while but it was quickly realised that the building would have to be replaced and that the opportunity could be taken to make improvements to cater for the increasing numbers of tourists.

 

The result was the following, completed in 1886 somewhat in the style of the main station building at Weston-Super-Mare, possibly designed under the supervision of Francis Fox, ex Chief Engineer of the Bristol and Exeter:

attachicon.gifHM Station Building 12.png

 

The next job is to produce some elevations.

 

One or two practical points -

 

What is the purpose of the peculiar L shaped counter in the Booking Office?  I can't remember quite how many small/medium station Booking Offices I've been in or worked in over the years but I've never come across one with an arrangement like that.

 

Why is there what appears to be a window (?) between the Station Master's Office and the Booking Office?

 

The Parcels Office seems to be rather oddly laid out as there is no public counter where a customer can stand inside the office and I doubt they'd be happy fishing out their wallet or whatever, let alone signing for something, while standing on the station platform or out on the approach road.  And I must admit to never having come across a parcels office with a strongroom - a security cage maybe but that's about it.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 17:44

One or two practical points -

 

What is the purpose of the peculiar L shaped counter in the Booking Office?  I can't remember quite how many small/medium station Booking Offices I've been in or worked in over the years but I've never come across one with an arrangement like that.

 

Why is there what appears to be a window (?) between the Station Master's Office and the Booking Office?

 

The Parcels Office seems to be rather oddly laid out as there is no public counter where a customer can stand inside the office and I doubt they'd be happy fishing out their wallet or whatever, let alone signing for something, while standing on the station platform or out on the approach road.  And I must admit to never having come across a parcels office with a strongroom - a security cage maybe but that's about it.

 

L shaped counter: I'm not sure about the purpose of that arrangement but I lifted it from plans for Minehead. I'll try to find out more.

 

Internal window between ticket office and Stationmaster's office: Yes, this is a mistake - again from looking at Minehead. The original building had a fireplace here and the drawings for the extension were not clear if this fireplace was retained. But looking again, I'm 99% certain it was.

 

Parcels Office counter: You know what I'm going to say - Minehead! The double doors to the platform are halved, so I assume that with the top halves open and the counter flaps down, staff inside would serve customers on the platform, under the protection of the platform canopy.

 

P.S. I'm not happy with the positions of fireplaces and chimneys in that plan so they may all get moved around.


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Posted 03 March 2018 - 11:15

Here's the current state. I moved the chimneys and fixed some of the issues Mike raised.

 

HM Station Building 17.png

 

HM Station Building 17 elev.png

 

I haven't yet detailed the WC block and you have to imagine a platform canopy in front of the platform elevation.

 

Possibly too many windows crammed into the wall between the gable ends...

 


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Posted 03 March 2018 - 11:22

Why not take a prototype example and build a model of that? That way, you won’t have to worry about getting it right?

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 14:49

Why not take a prototype example and build a model of that? That way, you won’t have to worry about getting it right?

 

Because I love designing buildings, I enjoy the process of getting it right, the building will be customised for my station and I'm going to spend a lot of time and effort building the model - so it will be far more satisfying and more motivating if it's "my" building rather than someone else's.

 

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 09:09

This morning's version: Detailed the WC block, applied a bit of colour wash, a bit of shading to give a sense of depth, fixed the arches over the double doors (but not sure about them).

HM Station Building 20 elev.png

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BTW: This may seem a bit off-topic for a thread in "Layout & Track Design" but the station building will be a focal point and so I want to know exactly what it will look like, and it's ground plan, as part of the overall layout design.


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 08:10

End elevations showing offsets of chimney stacks.

 

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 09:13

This morning's version: Detailed the WC block, applied a bit of colour wash, a bit of shading to give a sense of depth, fixed the arches over the double doors (but not sure about them).

attachicon.gifHM Station Building 20 elev.png

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BTW: This may seem a bit off-topic for a thread in "Layout & Track Design" but the station building will be a focal point and so I want to know exactly what it will look like, and it's ground plan, as part of the overall layout design.

You mentioned earlier that the station building is in the style of the one at Weston.

If you need any photos of details of the Weston station I could take a few for you, it is only 15 minutes walk from home,

 

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 09:47

You mentioned earlier that the station building is in the style of the one at Weston.

If you need any photos of details of the Weston station I could take a few for you, it is only 15 minutes walk from home,

 

cheers

 

Hi Kevin, 

 

I might take you up on your kind offer at some point. Do you think the present owners would mind you running a tape measure over some details? (Only kidding!)
 
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