two tone green Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Here is a very clever idea I have got hold of from Parliamentary Trains and it stops wheels dropping into the crossing V on Peco points and double slips etc. I have fitted them to my layout and they work, really do work. Simple and easy to fit. Just rub a black felt tip pen over them and they blend into the crossing V and to be honest not noticeable. But for demo purposes I have used as delivered so you can see it. Launch price it seems is £1.50 a pair at the Bristol O Gauge show with normal price £2.00. Well worth it to stop the annoying thump as wheels go over the crossing V 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Damn, I should have patented the idea :>) Mine are made of styrene and have served me well. Something like this should be in every BRMSB/GOG finescale point where finescale wheels cross.. cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 Here is an example once fitted and how they are packaged. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm obviously missing something here, but why not use correctly constructed pointwork in the first place? Also, if using different wheels with varying flange depths then the same thing will happen? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 I use a lot of RTR stock on my layout and all my point work is Peco so this is very useful. The stock is from a variety of makers such as Dapol, Heljan, Fine Scale Brass etc and I have not had any problems. As for correctly made points please contact Peco to let them know your thoughts. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2018 As for correctly made points please contact Peco to let them know your thoughts. Nowt to do wi me, all mine are EM. I'm at a loss as to how Peco get away with building sub standard pointwork. Why don't they put this sort of a gizmo in when biulding them? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 As you commented on the standard of points I thought you would possibly want to take it further with the manufacturer. So you are not affected. Good. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm obviously missing something here, but why not use correctly constructed pointwork in the first place? Also, if using different wheels with varying flange depths then the same thing will happen? Mike. 0 gauge standards are not tight enough to allow the wheel to be riding on the outside rail before the inside one has finished. (I am sure there are correct terms for that). The answer to your first point is Scale7. Modelling in this scale is more about this sort of thing than the extra mm between the rails. I agree with the second point though: Some flanges are deeper than others, so these could ride slightly above the rails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenweston Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 If you just use wheels with deeper flanges, we would be happy to run off a few 'specials' for you. Steve (Parliamentary Trains) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 If you just use wheels with deeper flanges, we would be happy to run off a few 'specials' for you. Steve (Parliamentary Trains) Are these currently available (I mean the normal ones) from Parliamentary Trains? If so, what should I add for postage as I definitely would like to order some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenweston Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Normal ones are now available - please add 80p for postage (assuming the order will go in a normal envelope :-) ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenweston Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just a note - Parliamentary Trains has moved. We are now at 17, New Street, St David's, Haverfordwest, SA62 6SW. (I need to update the web page.....) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenweston Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) I've had the good people of St David's are banging on my front door threatening to build a wickerman Apparently we are in Pembrokeshire so the address is Parliamentary Trains 17 New Street St David's Pembrokeshire SA62 6SW Hopefully this will save me from burning, although it is a bit chilly here today....... Edited January 23, 2018 by stephenweston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 I've had the good people banging on my front door threatening to build a wickerman Apparently we are in Pembrokeshire so the address is Parliamentary Trains 17 New Street St David's Pembrokeshire SA62 6SW Hopefully this will save me from burning, although it is a bit chilly here today....... Better, much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Can you put two aside for me at Bristol Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenweston Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Can you put two aside for me at Bristol Marc Ok Marc Don't forget my LNWR gunpowder van! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 It's sat in its box already. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 0 gauge standards are not tight enough to allow the wheel to be riding on the outside rail before the inside one has finished. (I am sure there are correct terms for that). The answer to your first point is Scale7. Modelling in this scale is more about this sort of thing than the extra mm between the rails. I agree with the second point though: Some flanges are deeper than others, so these could ride slightly above the rails. Which is why some people model to 31.25 or 31.5mm gauge, as the 32mm gauge is in fact wrong for the wheelsets now in use. They are achieving the same result as Scaleseven in terms of running, using standard wheels and with negligible difference in appearance. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Nowt to do wi me, all mine are EM. I'm at a loss as to how Peco get away with building sub standard pointwork. Why don't they put this sort of a gizmo in when biulding them? Mike. There is nothing wrong with the Peco point ,it is built to the standard. It is the standard that is wrong. The wheel width is incorrect for the crossing gap. I make my frog fillers a little lower in height to accommodate both BRMSB/GOG wheels and NMRA ones. The British ones only dip very slightly. cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 There is nothing wrong with the Peco point ,it is built to the standard. It is the standard that is wrong. The wheel width is incorrect for the crossing gap. I make my frog fillers a little lower in height to accommodate both BRMSB/GOG wheels and NMRA ones. The British ones only dip very slightly. cheers Bob It would be interesting to discover just what standard the Peco point is built to. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2018 There is nothing wrong with the Peco point ,it is built to the standard. It is the standard that is wrong. ?? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 ?? Mike. It's the same in OO too. We rely on the lack of suspension in the wheelsets to stop the wheel dropping into the gap by the frog. Correct standards are out there: P4 for 4mm or S7 for 7mm. If you want the accuracy, then model in 1 of these scales. If you don't want the extra work these entail, then accept standards as they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenweston Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 It's the same in OO too. We rely on the lack of suspension in the wheelsets to stop the wheel dropping into the gap by the frog. Correct standards are out there: P4 for 4mm or S7 for 7mm. If you want the accuracy, then model in 1 of these scales. If you don't want the extra work these entail, then accept standards as they are. We are looking into a 00 equivalent - watch this space! Steve (Parliamentary Trains) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Sometimes I feel sorry for the guys at Peco, they were obviously trying to cater for so many different widths of wheel, different depths of flange, let alone various B to B sizes. They were never going to keep everybody happy, so all I can say to the whingers is either put up or learn to build your own. Martyn. PS, with reference to the " Whingers " this is not directed to anyone in particular on here : ) Edited January 16, 2018 by 3 link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2018 As a possible "whinger", may I explain my line of questioning. Although I solely model in EM, I, like many others, had my head turned by the Dapol 08 and the forthcoming wagons. I'd (erroneously) assumed that, as I don't closely follow O gauge, out of the box Peco pointwork would be a simple route to a little 7mm plank, but it seems it amplifies the OO gauge problems, and I might not be satisfied with the end result. Thanks to those who have explained the potential issues. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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