Jump to content
 

Oxford announce 12T Tank Wagons


Garethp8873
 Share

Recommended Posts

Oxford have announced the 12t Tank Wagon as part of their 2018 range. So far six examples have been presented.

 

OR76TK2001 Mobil No64 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2002 Carless Naptha No10 Fuel Oil Tank Wagon 12 Ton

OR76TK2003 British Bitumen Colfix’No 56 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2004 Benzol and By Products No1000 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2005 Fisons Sulphuric Acid No31 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2006 Graham’s Golden Lager No113 12 Ton Tank wagon

Edited by Garethp8873
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

Oxford have announced the 12t Tank Wagon as part of their 2018 range. So far six examples have been presented.

 

OR76TK2001 Mobil No64 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2002 Carless Naptha No10 Fuel Oil Tank Wagon 12 Ton

OR76TK2003 British Bitumen Colfix’No 56 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2004 Benzol and By Products No1000 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2005 Fisons Sulphuric Acid No31 12 Ton Tank wagon

OR76TK2006 Graham’s Golden Lager No113 12 Ton Tank wagon

Hi Gareth

 

Any idea of what type of 12 ton tank wagon? RCH 1911 or RCH 1927? Anchor, cradle or saddle mounted?

Edited by Clive Mortimore
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

I think it's similar to the tank wagon 745 that resides at Didcot Railway Centre. My knowledge on Tank wagons is not very good tbh...

 

I would think though that Oxford's model is more likely to represent the RCH 1927 design.

 

5910483968_8e8545a528_b.jpg

Edited by Garethp8873
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

 

I think it's similar to the tank wagon 745 that resides at Didcot Railway Centre. My knowledge on Tank wagons is not very good tbh...

 

5910483968_8e8545a528_b.jpg

Thanks John and Gareth

 

They look like RCH 1907 wagons, some lasted up until the 1960s, excellent a few would be added to my tank wagon collection.....now to get some more Fox Shell BP transfers for a B class tank.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks John and Gareth

 

They look like RCH 1907 wagons, some lasted up until the 1960s, excellent a few would be added to my tank wagon collection.....now to get some more Fox Shell BP transfers for a B class tank.

 

I think it is more likely to be the RCH 1927 design. If you compare my photo with the drawings on the Oxford Rail page, the 'line' is only on the centre section of the wagon whereas a 1907 version has them on the outer sections.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

Correct me if I'm wrong but an acid  tanker i.e. the Fisons liveried one, would be a totally different type of tank wagon, sulphuric acid would burn though a normal tank very quickly.

 

Dave Franks.

They where glass lined for that type of traffic. Whether this type of tank was I'm not sure.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The ones that look like these in my Tourret book are all 14 tonners. Is the 12 a misprint or mistake?

 

The problem with tank wagons is that they were built for specific commodities. As the specific gravity of each commodity varied, so did the size of the tank, usually the diameter with the length staying roughly the same. A 12 ton tank would also be of a smaller diameter than a 14 ton one for the same commodity. If the Oxford tank is planned to be the same size as all other respectable models ever made, I would venture to suggest that their market could be quite limited. If, on the other hand, the tank was to be smaller  than the rest, they could probably sell like hot cakes. If you look at photographs of tank trains in the 1950s, there are all sorts of tank diameters on show.

  • Like 1
  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Graham's Golden Lager appears to have been brewed in Alloa and Burton? So was there regular tank traffic between the two and other parts of the Aliied Breweries empire?

 

It became Skol in 1959.

Might this wagon be a fictional livery, in the grand tradition of tank wagon models since Hornby '0' gauge days?

Link to post
Share on other sites

So far I've found images of Carless Petrol (Private Owner Wagons Vol.10 P.44) but this one is a 14t rather than 12t. If anyone knows where there's a photo of the 12t example let me know please.

 

Colfix is in Private Owner Wagons Vol.2 (Bill Hudson) P.111 and seems to represent the drawing fairly well but is missing some front pipework which can easily be made I imagine and again Benzol is in the same book on P.108.

 

Fisons is in British Railway Private Owner Tank Wagons by Richard Tourret but I do have a copy of this to hand yet. Mobil I cannot find and as Fenway and Fat Controller say Graham's Golden Lager is most likely a reference to the 0 gauge Hornby models...

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Premium

Allsopp's was lager plant moved to Alloa in 1921 and Graham's appeared as a brand in 1927 according to this beer historian http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/grahams-golden-lager-skol-1933-1994.html .

 

I researched the brand after excavating a quantity of bottles from the site of a branch of Eldridge Pope wine merchants in Southampton that was bombed out in 1940. It was decidedly 'off'. I found an online image of a branded van but no tankers. I can't find it now.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Mobil logo was used on anchor mounted tank wagons - they can be seen sometimes in the  background of photos taken at Kings Cross Loco servicing point. I don't know whether they were used on earlier wagons. Also plate 396 Tourret R. (2009) Petroleum rail tank wagons of Britain. 2nd edition 304pp. Tourret Publishing, Oxford, GB, ISBN 978 0 905878 09 6

 

Fisons were 22t VB tanks

 

Although as mentioned tanks varied considerably in barrel size according to load there are a lot of liveries that could be used on a wagon depicting the cross braced rivetted barrel on a steel frame.

 

Paul

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it's a better approach to regard this new release as an actual 12T tank wagon in fictional liveries than to look at what type of wagon should there be for the liveries announced.

That said – I welcome added diversity to early tankers available RTR and this extends to this new Oxford Rail wagon. Personally I can live with a non-authentic livery but that has to be decided by each on his own.

I recommend reading "Oil on the Rails" of HMRS publication, you get the idea of tank wagons tailored to the needs of oil firms very much from this book.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it's a better approach to regard this new release as an actual 12T tank wagon in fictional liveries than to look at what type of wagon should there be for the liveries announced.

 

That said – I welcome added diversity to early tankers available RTR and this extends to this new Oxford Rail wagon. Personally I can live with a non-authentic livery but that has to be decided by each on his own.

 

I recommend reading "Oil on the Rails" of HMRS publication, you get the idea of tank wagons tailored to the needs of oil firms very much from this book.

 

 

Yes, if this is genuinely a smaller diameter tank (5'8"ish) then I think that it will be very welcome. But I would prefer the wagon itself to be to a consistent design ito underframe, wheelbase etc. (to the extent that is possible) even if there is some 'manufacturers licence' involved with the liveries 

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Mobil logo was used on anchor mounted tank wagons - they can be seen sometimes in the  background of photos taken at Kings Cross Loco servicing point. I don't know whether they were used on earlier wagons. Also plate 396 Tourret R. (2009) Petroleum rail tank wagons of Britain. 2nd edition 304pp. Tourret Publishing, Oxford, GB, ISBN 978 0 905878 09 6

 

Fisons were 22t VB tanks

 

Although as mentioned tanks varied considerably in barrel size according to load there are a lot of liveries that could be used on a wagon depicting the cross braced rivetted barrel on a steel frame.

 

Paul

The 22t VB tanks were for Anhydrous Ammonia- I used to walk past them at St Andrew's Road on my way to work in the mid-1970s.

The Fison acid tank is of a much earlier vintage, such that I wonder if the livery is fictitious- the 'Fisons' name on its own wasn't used until 1942, and I doubt such an elaborate livery would have been used then. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...