Garethp8873 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) Oxford have announced the 12t Tank Wagon as part of their 2018 range. So far six examples have been presented. - OR76TK2001 Mobil No64 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2002 Carless Naptha No10 Fuel Oil Tank Wagon 12 Ton - OR76TK2003 British Bitumen Colfix’No 56 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2004 Benzol and By Products No1000 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2005 Fisons Sulphuric Acid No31 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2006 Graham’s Golden Lager No113 12 Ton Tank wagon Edited January 23, 2018 by Garethp8873 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) Oxford have announced the 12t Tank Wagon as part of their 2018 range. So far six examples have been presented. - OR76TK2001 Mobil No64 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2002 Carless Naptha No10 Fuel Oil Tank Wagon 12 Ton - OR76TK2003 British Bitumen Colfix’No 56 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2004 Benzol and By Products No1000 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2005 Fisons Sulphuric Acid No31 12 Ton Tank wagon - OR76TK2006 Graham’s Golden Lager No113 12 Ton Tank wagon Hi Gareth Any idea of what type of 12 ton tank wagon? RCH 1911 or RCH 1927? Anchor, cradle or saddle mounted? Edited January 23, 2018 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hi Gareth Any idea of what type of 12 ton tank wagon? RCH 1911 or RCH 1927? Anchor, cradle or saddle mounted? i.e. Will it look the same as everybody else's or will it be smaller? I hope it will be smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted January 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2018 Do these drawings from Oxford's web pages help? https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/mobil-no64-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2001 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/carless-naptha-no10-fuel-oil-tank-wagon-12-ton-or76tk2002 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/british-bitumen-colfixno-56-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2003 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/benzol-and-by-products-no1000-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2004 I haven't added links for nos 005 and 006, as I imagine you won't want to see yet another link! John S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) I think it's similar to the tank wagon 745 that resides at Didcot Railway Centre. My knowledge on Tank wagons is not very good tbh... I would think though that Oxford's model is more likely to represent the RCH 1927 design. Edited January 23, 2018 by Garethp8873 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2018 Do these drawings from Oxford's web pages help? https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/mobil-no64-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2001 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/carless-naptha-no10-fuel-oil-tank-wagon-12-ton-or76tk2002 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/british-bitumen-colfixno-56-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2003 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/benzol-and-by-products-no1000-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2004 I haven't added links for nos 005 and 006, as I imagine you won't want to see yet another link! John S I think it's similar to the tank wagon 745 that resides at Didcot Railway Centre. My knowledge on Tank wagons is not very good tbh... Thanks John and Gareth They look like RCH 1907 wagons, some lasted up until the 1960s, excellent a few would be added to my tank wagon collection.....now to get some more Fox Shell BP transfers for a B class tank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Thanks John and Gareth They look like RCH 1907 wagons, some lasted up until the 1960s, excellent a few would be added to my tank wagon collection.....now to get some more Fox Shell BP transfers for a B class tank. I think it is more likely to be the RCH 1927 design. If you compare my photo with the drawings on the Oxford Rail page, the 'line' is only on the centre section of the wagon whereas a 1907 version has them on the outer sections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2018 Do these drawings from Oxford's web pages help? https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/mobil-no64-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2001 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/carless-naptha-no10-fuel-oil-tank-wagon-12-ton-or76tk2002 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/british-bitumen-colfixno-56-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2003 https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/benzol-and-by-products-no1000-12-ton-tank-wagon-or76tk2004 I haven't added links for nos 005 and 006, as I imagine you won't want to see yet another link! John S You missed the froth tank wagon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Does that not depend on which side you're looking at? Emma 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Does that not depend on which side you're looking at? Emma Good point Emma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2018 Does that not depend on which side you're looking at? Emma ?knaT htorF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted January 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2018 The ones that look like these in my Tourret book are all 14 tonners. Is the 12 a misprint or mistake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Graham's Golden Lager appears to have been brewed in Alloa and Burton? So was there regular tank traffic between the two and other parts of the Aliied Breweries empire? It became Skol in 1959. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong but an acid tanker i.e. the Fisons liveried one, would be a totally different type of tank wagon, sulphuric acid would burn though a normal tank very quickly. Dave Franks. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong but an acid tanker i.e. the Fisons liveried one, would be a totally different type of tank wagon, sulphuric acid would burn though a normal tank very quickly. Dave Franks. They where glass lined for that type of traffic. Whether this type of tank was I'm not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The ones that look like these in my Tourret book are all 14 tonners. Is the 12 a misprint or mistake? The problem with tank wagons is that they were built for specific commodities. As the specific gravity of each commodity varied, so did the size of the tank, usually the diameter with the length staying roughly the same. A 12 ton tank would also be of a smaller diameter than a 14 ton one for the same commodity. If the Oxford tank is planned to be the same size as all other respectable models ever made, I would venture to suggest that their market could be quite limited. If, on the other hand, the tank was to be smaller than the rest, they could probably sell like hot cakes. If you look at photographs of tank trains in the 1950s, there are all sorts of tank diameters on show. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Graham's Golden Lager appears to have been brewed in Alloa and Burton? So was there regular tank traffic between the two and other parts of the Aliied Breweries empire? It became Skol in 1959. Might this wagon be a fictional livery, in the grand tradition of tank wagon models since Hornby '0' gauge days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 So far I've found images of Carless Petrol (Private Owner Wagons Vol.10 P.44) but this one is a 14t rather than 12t. If anyone knows where there's a photo of the 12t example let me know please. Colfix is in Private Owner Wagons Vol.2 (Bill Hudson) P.111 and seems to represent the drawing fairly well but is missing some front pipework which can easily be made I imagine and again Benzol is in the same book on P.108. Fisons is in British Railway Private Owner Tank Wagons by Richard Tourret but I do have a copy of this to hand yet. Mobil I cannot find and as Fenway and Fat Controller say Graham's Golden Lager is most likely a reference to the 0 gauge Hornby models... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted January 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2018 Allsopp's was lager plant moved to Alloa in 1921 and Graham's appeared as a brand in 1927 according to this beer historian http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/grahams-golden-lager-skol-1933-1994.html . I researched the brand after excavating a quantity of bottles from the site of a branch of Eldridge Pope wine merchants in Southampton that was bombed out in 1940. It was decidedly 'off'. I found an online image of a branded van but no tankers. I can't find it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The Mobil logo was used on anchor mounted tank wagons - they can be seen sometimes in the background of photos taken at Kings Cross Loco servicing point. I don't know whether they were used on earlier wagons. Also plate 396 Tourret R. (2009) Petroleum rail tank wagons of Britain. 2nd edition 304pp. Tourret Publishing, Oxford, GB, ISBN 978 0 905878 09 6 Fisons were 22t VB tanks Although as mentioned tanks varied considerably in barrel size according to load there are a lot of liveries that could be used on a wagon depicting the cross braced rivetted barrel on a steel frame. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelixM Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think it's a better approach to regard this new release as an actual 12T tank wagon in fictional liveries than to look at what type of wagon should there be for the liveries announced.That said – I welcome added diversity to early tankers available RTR and this extends to this new Oxford Rail wagon. Personally I can live with a non-authentic livery but that has to be decided by each on his own.I recommend reading "Oil on the Rails" of HMRS publication, you get the idea of tank wagons tailored to the needs of oil firms very much from this book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think it's a better approach to regard this new release as an actual 12T tank wagon in fictional liveries than to look at what type of wagon should there be for the liveries announced. That said – I welcome added diversity to early tankers available RTR and this extends to this new Oxford Rail wagon. Personally I can live with a non-authentic livery but that has to be decided by each on his own. I recommend reading "Oil on the Rails" of HMRS publication, you get the idea of tank wagons tailored to the needs of oil firms very much from this book. Yes, if this is genuinely a smaller diameter tank (5'8"ish) then I think that it will be very welcome. But I would prefer the wagon itself to be to a consistent design ito underframe, wheelbase etc. (to the extent that is possible) even if there is some 'manufacturers licence' involved with the liveries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think it is intended to be the RCH 1907 tank. If so, I hope it is the more useful 5'7" diameter rather than the later 6'7". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The Mobil logo was used on anchor mounted tank wagons - they can be seen sometimes in the background of photos taken at Kings Cross Loco servicing point. I don't know whether they were used on earlier wagons. Also plate 396 Tourret R. (2009) Petroleum rail tank wagons of Britain. 2nd edition 304pp. Tourret Publishing, Oxford, GB, ISBN 978 0 905878 09 6 Fisons were 22t VB tanks Although as mentioned tanks varied considerably in barrel size according to load there are a lot of liveries that could be used on a wagon depicting the cross braced rivetted barrel on a steel frame. Paul The 22t VB tanks were for Anhydrous Ammonia- I used to walk past them at St Andrew's Road on my way to work in the mid-1970s. The Fison acid tank is of a much earlier vintage, such that I wonder if the livery is fictitious- the 'Fisons' name on its own wasn't used until 1942, and I doubt such an elaborate livery would have been used then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think it is intended to be the RCH 1907 tank. I know little about these tanks, and it would be helpful to know if this is the case. (One has to ask, because - it's Oxford...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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