George91 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Can't see that this has been directly covered, but I could easily be missing it! A thread to ask- which were the very, very first locos that appeared in blue, in 1966 and the first quarter of 1967? Leaving aside D1733- is it known which locomotive was the first to appear in BR blue- and when? My guess would be last quarter of '66, but could it have been any earlier? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2018 A fair bit on other threads on this and I can't easily copy and paste from mobile but....D270, D3464 and D864 have to be early contenders... Also D6992, D6753 and the peaks that were painted in economy blue as no-one had the right specification... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Class 08 D4100 at Eastleigh shed 24-9-1966 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/6275797718/in/album-72157627246227263/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubaimike Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Class 08 D4100 at Eastleigh shed 24-9-1966 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ron_h/6275797718/in/album-72157627246227263/ I know this is plumbing new depths of pedantry, but D4100 was a class 09. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2018 I know this is plumbing new depths of pedantry, but D4100 was a class 09. Pedant alert on....flashing lights, whoop whoop sirens etc In 1966 D4100 was neither an 08 or 09 .... she was a BR/EE 350hp 0-6-0, TOPs classes didn't exist! Renumbering started in the early 70s although the class designations did appear late 60s. Pedant mode off ....phew! Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubaimike Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Pedant alert on....flashing lights, whoop whoop sirens etc In 1966 D4100 was neither an 08 or 09 .... she was a BR/EE 350hp 0-6-0, TOPs classes didn't exist! Renumbering started in the early 70s although the class designations did appear late 60s. Pedant mode off ....phew! Phil And my wife thinks I'm the worst pedant there is! You're right of course Phil, and I stand corrected. Regards Mike 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2018 Perhaps I should introduce your Missus to my SWMBO Mike! No on second thoughts that might not be good for either of us..... Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Deltics were early repaints in to blue, possibly due to the combination of the prestigious services they operated and more frequent works attention. D9002 being the first in Oct '66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Class 55 D9002 at Doncaster Works October 1966 https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6309229529/in/album-72157628044815936/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Class 31 D5649 at Doncaster Works October 1966 https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6615665731/in/album-72157627773064944/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted February 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2018 Deltics were early repaints in to blue, possibly due to the combination of the prestigious services they operated and more frequent works attention. D9002 being the first in Oct '66 Although the next one 9008, wasn't done until July 1967. The last was 9014 in Nov 1969. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted February 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) The last 18 Sulzer type 2s were delivered in Blue from Nov 1966, as were the last 50 EE type 1s from Dec 1966. The last 9 Brush Type 4s were delivered in blue too, starting from Nov 1966. Edited February 1, 2018 by stovepipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2018 The last 18 Sulzer type 2s were delivered in Blue from Nov 1966, as were the last 50 EE type 1s from Dec 1966. The last 9 Brush Type 4s were delivered in blue too, starting from Nov 1966. Just to clarify, the Brush weren't numerically the last. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) And didn't they start from 1953? Must have been over 40 EE Type 1s delivered in blue too.... Phil Edited February 2, 2018 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just to clarify, the Brush weren't numerically the last. Mike. No thats right, you had the situation of Brush built locos arriving in blue with Crewe built ones in green. Indeed Brush asked BR what they should do with the now redundant green paint they had stocks of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 Brush - paint - am sure they could work it out! Hee hee Phil 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Built in Blue you had400-4491953-617660-778178-99, 8300-27The first of each class to go blue as far as my research says were;D4D101D184D237D602D864D1030D1528Shunters-some debate, poss D3464? Unsure re 03s, Class 10 poss D3638.D2554D2992D5068D5389D5649D5701D6300/3/14/27 unsure which was first.D6937D7033D8049Claytons-no idea, several done at once in late 1967.D9002 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Of course some of the early Swindon repaints may have been chromatic blue........ or was it just the film they used? Sorry shouldn’t kick this one off again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 It’s interesting to see that the 55 and 31 in the photos had full yellow ends at a time when Swindon were still only applying yellow panels. Maybe Swindon didn’t get the email on that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2018 Built in Blue you had 400-449 1953-61 7660-77 8178-99, 8300-27 The first of each class to go blue as far as my research says were; D4 D101 D184 D237 D602 D864 D1030 D1528 Shunters-some debate, poss D3464? Unsure re 03s, Class 10 poss D3638. D2554 D2992 D5068 D5389 D5649 D5701 D6300/3/14/27 unsure which was first. D6937 D7033 D8049 Claytons-no idea, several done at once in late 1967. D9002 Claytons probably the easiest to do as so many of them sat still for so long.... Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3109 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It’s interesting to see that the 55 and 31 in the photos had full yellow ends at a time when Swindon were still only applying yellow panels. Maybe Swindon didn’t get the email on that? According to my friend who revels in such things, there was apparently an edict issued to all the BR works that all locomotives were to be outshopped in Rail Blue from 'now', not certain of the date but probably 1966 or 1967. Apparently Swindon continued, stubbornly to turn out 350s in green until 1970.... Incidentally I'd always assumed that a fair number of Brush Type 4s were new in blue, I hadn't realised it was only nine of them. Learned something new again today! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3109 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Deltics were early repaints in to blue, possibly due to the combination of the prestigious services they operated and more frequent works attention. D9002 being the first in Oct '66 I've seen a photo of D9010 in green and full yellow ends, but with BR double arrows. Seems this was an ER thing, plenty of 31s in this condition along with class 15s and Baby Deltics. Think 9010 was the only Deltic thus treated mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3109 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 No thats right, you had the situation of Brush built locos arriving in blue with Crewe built ones in green. Indeed Brush asked BR what they should do with the now redundant green paint they had stocks of. Maybe Swindon Works purchased all the green paint at Loughborough, in order to mix it in with the vast stocks of 'chromatic blue' they apparently had, in order to create Rail Blue which has a greenish tinge to it. © 1974 Graham Scott-Lowe et al hehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) Swindon repainted with panels because of a dispute with PW staff, somewhere I have the details. I'll dig them out. The early blue 45s were done en masse at Toton in June/july 1966 and the idea was abandoned. Chromatic blue doesn't exist. D1030 was spray painted rather than brush painted and it gives a metallic finish which looks different in the sun, however compare a BSYP loco to a BFYE loco if you can find a picture and you can see that the shade of blue is identical. It's one of those long standing myths that regardless of evidence will not die, file under 40106 in blue, D4 with panels etc. June 9 1966 was the date that the order to paint everything blue went out. It only took 14 years to do. Edited September 6, 2020 by Russell Saxton Inaccurate 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Yes only D9010. Many plenty 15s, 16s, 31s and also examples of classes 03, 23, 24, 37. I've seen a photo of D9010 in green and full yellow ends, but with BR double arrows.Seems this was an ER thing, plenty of 31s in this condition along with class 15s and Baby Deltics.Think 9010 was the only Deltic thus treated mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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