Andy Y Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Item No. Description Era DCC RRP Bachmann BRANCHLINE OO SCALE 31-663 Class 47/0 No. 47209 ‘Herbert Austin’ in BR Railfreight Distribution livery 8 21PIN £159.95 32-304A 2251 Class Collett Goods locomotive No. 2251 in GWR green with GREAT WESTERN on tender 8 8PIN £114.95 32-815RJ Class 47/8 No. 47805 ‘John Scott 12.5.45 – 22.5.12’ in DRS Compass livery. REGIONAL EXCLUSIVE MODEL – ISLE OF MAN, NORTH EAST, NORTH YORKSHIRE, NORTH WEST AND SCOTLAND SALES AREA 9 21PIN £159.95 32-983 Class 66 No. 66779 ‘Evening Star’ in GBRF lined green livery (special for last Class 66 to be delivered) 9 21PIN £169.95 34-385 Thompson 3rd Class Corridor in LNER Teak livery No. 1090 3 - £54.95 34-410 Thompson Composite Corridor in LNER Teak No. 18510 3 - £54.95 34-435 Thompson Composite Brake in LNER Teak No. 1146 3 - £54.95 34-485 Thompson 1st Class Corridor in LNER Teak No. 138 3 - £54.95 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2018 Interesting comparison of Bachmann's take on the teak with Hornby's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted January 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) you are too polite Rob it doesn't look too good in my eyes. Edited January 30, 2018 by 81C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 you are too polite Rob it doesn't look too good in my eyes. In the flesh it looks rather good (rather than cruel enlargements) with a faux effect which is not as prominent as it may appear in the pics but with discernible differences between panels to break up the uniformity. I've seen real (heritage) ones that don't look too good come to think of it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 In the flesh it looks rather good (rather than cruel enlargements) with a faux effect which is not as prominent as it may appear in the pics but with discernible differences between panels to break up the uniformity. I've seen real (heritage) ones that don't look too good come to think of it. loooks a bit like formica to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 These coaches probably look okay in the flesh even though the Bachmann rendition is one colour passing over the base finish, which is why it lacks depth. I would have thought that in this day and age it would be possible to 'construct' an image of teak like a photo and print it onto the coach sides. With so few modellers able to 'do' teak anyway, the choice is simple. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I don't want to get into bashing a manufacturer and until you've seen them in the plastic it isn't always possible to judge, but the colour reproduced above does look pale compared to the existing preserved ones. Mike Trice has managed a much closer match IMHO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Do they just print a wood effect on or is it something more complex than that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The real Thompsons didn't have teak bodies, they had steel bodies with a faux teak finish. Getting the colour of the full sized preserved version right must have been quite a challenge (and who is to say it is "correct" - mists of time and all that). The same applies to the new Bachmann versions. I am therefore not sure whether it is meaningful to compare the two colours (refurbished full size version versus these new models) unless the models are supposed to represent modern heritage stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) Anyone who has seen craftsman hand-created teak finish will tell you it is all-but impossible to tell it from real wood. When I was a lad, decorators still applied wood graining to internal doors....Ours were done in a council house in 1954! I worked at a Crown Wallpaper shop for a short time in early 1960 and we still sold scumble, brushes and combs for this kind of artistry. And I use the word deliberately. Such materials are still sold today... http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/Tools/Graining_and_Effects_Tools/ Edited January 30, 2018 by coachmann 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widnes Model Centre Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Appears to an error on the RRP of 32-815RJ, the Class 47 DRS. I have just checked with RJ himself and it is £154.95p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 This has already been debated on here before. To me it looks a etched squiggle on a base colour , however I will wait to see what they actually look like in the "flesh" . A preserved beautiful version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2018 Bravo Bachmann, the correct underframe tanks are fitted to 47209. But please Bachmann, you are your own worst enemy when photo-shopping liveries onto previous models. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I don't want to get into bashing a manufacturer and until you've seen them in the plastic it isn't always possible to judge, but the colour reproduced above does look pale compared to the existing preserved ones.Mike Trice has managed a much closer match IMHO. I wonder if the preservation people went a bit OTT. I cannot believe the LNER would have wanted their painters going to great lengths to paint a grain effect on the steel sides of 100s of coaches. The grain effect would need to be designed in order to look good too. I suspect they would have painted just some single form teak wood brown colour and leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 To be effective, the grain requires soft edges, but this would involve several passes through the printing machine. Bachmann has gone for a single print approach, obviously to stay within price. So I would suggest a darker background colour than the one shown in Andy Y's post to reduce the contrast between the two colours. The 0 gauge coach below was painted by fellow full-time painter, Dave Studeley, who has accurately captured the subtle nature of the painted on finish.... 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I don't want to get into bashing a manufacturer and until you've seen them in the plastic it isn't always possible to judge, but the colour reproduced above does look pale compared to the existing preserved ones.Mike Trice has managed a much closer match IMHO. To my eyes, your two pictures, which i’m assuming are of two different coaches, to me show two different shades of teak, or it could just be the light levels... so it must be extremely hard to replicate on a model a accurate rendition.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Anyone who has seen craftsman hand-created teak finish will tell you it is all-but impossible to tell it from real wood. When I was a lad, decorators still applied wood graining to internal doors....Ours were done in a council house in 1954! I worked at a Crown Wallpaper shop for a short time in early 1960 and we still sold scumble, brushes and combs for this kind of artistry. And I use the word deliberately. Such materials are still sold today... http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/Tools/Graining_and_Effects_Tools/ I bought a semi in Birmingham, 1970. all the exposed wood was scumble: doors, picture rails, staircase etc. It took me nigh on 6 months (working weekends) to remove the damn stuff. Underneath the paint on the stair handrail was a lovely piece of beech! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOgaugeJaf Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think they look great but will not be replacing the 24 I currently have. Might start a new rake only if there are some good discounts available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2018 Anyone who has seen craftsman hand-created teak finish will tell you it is all-but impossible to tell it from real wood. When I was a lad, decorators still applied wood graining to internal doors....Ours were done in a council house in 1954! I worked at a Crown Wallpaper shop for a short time in early 1960 and we still sold scumble, brushes and combs for this kind of artistry. And I use the word deliberately. Such materials are still sold today... http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/Tools/Graining_and_Effects_Tools/ I remember my Grandad doing the doors like that in the 1950s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I cannot believe the LNER would have wanted their painters going to great lengths to paint a grain effect on the steel sides of 100s of coaches. The grain effect would need to be designed in order to look good too. I suspect they would have painted just some single form teak wood brown colour and leave it at that. Believe it. Prewar a teak coach spent 16 days going through the paint shops. I'm not quite sure why the grain would need to be 'designed' - it would look odd if every vehicle was the same. they would have painted just some single form teak wood brown colour. They did that too, during the war and on pregrouping coaches and NPCCS. These Thompsons were the top flight vehicles immediately after the war and were intended to stand out. The two pictures are of two different vehicles, one restored by the LNERCA, the other by the SRPS. I'd be surprised if they did much very different, these groups share knowledge and expertise between themselves. Having seen the D.329 at Pickering before it went into service, the effect was almost luminous. In model form it has been done very well by Hornby on their first release of teaks. I don't think anything since has quite been that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I bought a semi in Birmingham, 1970. all the exposed wood was scumble: doors, picture rails, staircase etc. It took me nigh on 6 months (working weekends) to remove the damn stuff. Underneath the paint on the stair handrail was a lovely piece of beech! My Dad had a full kit for doing scumbling, and used it during the 1950s! Horrible. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) A few images of the sole surviving Thompson TK restored by the LNERCA on the NYMR. Look at the difference between the ersatz teak and the real thing in the third image - a mirage in vividness! Cheers, CoY Edited January 31, 2018 by County of Yorkshire 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Look at the difference between the ersatz teak and the real thing in the third image - a mirage in vividness! The Thompson has an almost Trumpesque orange hue in comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 The Thompson has an almost Trumpesque orange hue in comparison. Agreed. In this case, the Bachmann version looks better than 'reality'. I've just bunged in an order for a rake with my local model shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR8700 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Been looking forward to that 2251 for a while. Should fit in well with my NRM Dean goods Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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