Bernard Lamb Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 As the OP I have followed this thread with interest and some amazement. I think that convinces me that, no matter what it was in 1935, today it's OO. Just where do you find that symbol on a modern keyboard? The zero and oh keys on mine are both upright ovals. No circles as far as I can see. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Just where do you find that symbol on a modern keyboard? The zero and oh keys on mine are both upright ovals. No circles as far as I can see. Bernard Bernard, on the Microsoft keyboard with my pc and the "keyboard" on my Android tablet, they are distinctly different. A circle and an oval. On my mobile phone they are both ovals, the O being fatter than the 0. Going back to the OP, I now think it doesn't really matter. The casual show visitor will not see a difference, and the majority of OO/00 modelers are probably not aware or bothered. Perhaps they should put O0 on the poster, to start a conversation. Jol Edited February 7, 2018 by Jol Wilkinson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Just where do you find that symbol on a modern keyboard? The zero and oh keys on mine are both upright ovals. No circles as far as I can see. Bernard That is so on my laptop also, though the one on the letter key is "fatter". However, when I press the letter key, what comes up is a circular "O". I suspect that to be a can of worms best left unopened............ As for the original question, the conclusion must be that "00" is technically and historically correct but, largely because of verbal usage and "Hornby Dublo", "OO" has become more commonly understood by subsequent generations. With numbers, as well as letters, general usage causes the language to evolve. If something old is used in a different way for long enough, the new meaning will become accepted even if, as in this case, the earlier one remains valid. Thus, "OO" can't yet be said to have fully supplanted "00". John Edited February 7, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 As for the original question, the conclusion must be that "00" is technically and historically correct but, largely because of verbal usage and "Hornby Dublo", "OO" has become more commonly understood by subsequent generations. With numbers, as well as letters, general usage causes the language to evolve. If something old is used in a different way for long enough, the new meaning will become accepted even if, as in this case "OO" can't yet be said to have fully supplanted "00". John Exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2018 Not sure if the poster is also intended to go on the Club's website. But doing a quick Google search using the term OO gauge, return more appropriate results than using 00 gauge. However, both searches returned results for OO/00 gauge entries. So if Google can't decide, then I think either way is OK. Cheers, Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 Not sure if the poster is also intended to go on the Club's website. But doing a quick Google search using the term OO gauge, return more appropriate results than using 00 gauge. However, both searches returned results for OO/00 gauge entries. So if Google can't decide, then I think either way is OK. Cheers, Chris Hello Chris It's Twickenham Club that we're talking about and the poster is for our 'pop-up' event at Twickenham Library on April 21st - it would be nice to see you there! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 How about written 00 but said OO? After all many (most?) people say O for the 0's in phone numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I would always go with the OO as in dublo etc I know this annoys some people. but they seem to be the sort of people that annoying is fun I am sure this thread will go on and on and round and round....rather like a figure 0 or O in fact! We just need the late Mr Ronnie Barker to come in and ask for some "O"s at this juncture 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 As the OP I have followed this thread with interest and some amazement. I agree that there is a version that we should call it for historical reasons - 00 but what do we in 2018 actually call it? So I tought I would find out some stats I looked at ebay There are 144,768 items listed as OO and 21,511 listed as 00 I think that convinces me that, no matter what it was in 1935, today it's OO. This is the key point for me. However we say it, the more important thing when doing a web search, is how we type it. You have to use both to get the full results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hello Chris It's Twickenham Club that we're talking about and the poster is for our 'pop-up' event at Twickenham Library on April 21st - it would be nice to see you there! Paul Ah, I thought that might be the case. I will definately try and get there. Would be great to catch up. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2018 Hello Chris It's Twickenham Club that we're talking about and the poster is for our 'pop-up' event at Twickenham Library on April 21st - it would be nice to see you there! Paul Perhaps that should be a p00p-up event. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 You could have " --- --- " but I doubt if that would catch on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 . Of course it should be "OO", but written "00" as it is narrower than the gauge it should be. ------ As for sevens and zeros with strokes through them, these are often used by the armed forces and mathematicians in handwriting to ensure no mistakes are made in reading. Maths, especially complex formulae can get very confusing. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 .------ As for sevens and zeros with strokes through them, these are often used by the armed forces and mathematicians in handwriting to ensure no mistakes are made in reading. Maths, especially complex formulae can get very confusing. . The way most people seem to write 1 in Europe can look a bit like a 7 (if you squint a bit), so the stroke helps to clarify that, as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 How about written 00 but said OO? After all many (most?) people say O for the 0's in phone numbers. Yes, we've said that. '0h' is a number as well as a letter. Context is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Frankly 2 pages of nonsense answers to the OP based on what people want to think. Yet people are still posting, for some reason. "Lock it up" I say. Edited February 7, 2018 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 The way most people seem to write 1 in Europe can look a bit like a 7 (if you squint a bit), so the stroke helps to clarify that, as well. Still universal here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_J Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is it zeroes or oes that some people cross, could it actually be theta-phi or even phi-theta? I don't know - it seems all greek to me. ΦΘ or ΘΦ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 The bigger question is, does it really matter? Brian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenceb Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I still do it, a lot of emphasis being placed in crossing the seven and slashing the zero when you are trained in military signals. Yet the Met Office were most insistant that numbers are not to be crossed on weather reports Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2018 The bigger question is, does it really matter? Brian. Hi Brian Oh Oh I think you have caught us all off guard. Does it really matter? I am going to have to sleep on this. Before I do I have some considerations to take on board. Does it really matter? What sort of question is this? We are only on page three surely we have another six pages of waffle, silly comment, serious thought, and people throwing their toys out their prams before we can even think of this. And still Hornby Doulbzero doesn't roll of the tongue. Does it really matter? Yes, no, but, yes, no, but, yes, no, but............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Martino Posted February 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2018 ...and then there was Hornby acHO! Which has nothing to do with anything or the price of fish, as it was French. But does it matter in the grand scheme of things? Something to ponder over a glass of red methinks. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 8, 2018 The bigger question is, does it really matter? Brian. Hi Brian I have an answer, I don't really know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 ...and then there was Hornby acHO! Bless you! I hope you used a hanky... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 The reality is that everyone knows what is meant whether one writes OO,00,OO even Dublo so it doesn’t matter one jot. Many years ago we had gauges 0,1,2 and 3 and everything was clear. I blame the 0 or is that O gaugers for bringing in the double standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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