pdj49 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 We need 1000 volunteers to give the biggest DCC investigation ever undertaken to prove a thought about runaways. PLEASE NOTE: YOU MUST BE OVER 18 TO TAKE PART. We will NOT sell or use your phone number or email for any other purpose. This investigation is being conducted by Taunton Controls Ltd. and is NOT a back-door ad campaign. For this investigation please only use this email address – bigdccinvestigation@gmail.com. This is for ALL DCC users and ALL DCC controller makes. This will not cost you anything except some time to answer a few questions about your layout. First step – please send an email to register that you are happy to help, include your email address, your first name, your phone number and your answers to the questions below. Part 1. Questions Your controller make and type? Your layout size i.e. length, breadth? The max number of locos you run at any one time? The max number of operators? If you have zones, how many zones do you have? Is your layout indoors, outdoors or both? What gauge is your layout? Have you ever had an uncontrolled loco movement on your layout? Please give details Would you say this happened once only? Happens just once a session? Or happens more often? Thank you for your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 What is the purpose of this ‘investigation’ and the desired outcome of any findings that you hope to make? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted February 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2018 Is there more to it, or are those the only questions? What will you conceivably gain about runaways from a single question where the only answers available are basically "it never really happens" or "it happens all the time"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 And will you make your anonymised data and conclusions freely available to all RM Webbers? At the moment it looks like a potential marketing campaign for Taunton/ZTC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It could easily be done as a Poll on here; without the "need" (for what purposes??) to provide personal info such as email addresses and phone numbers. & no, I've never had an 'uncontrolled loco movement' on DCC anyway, so the rest of the info is superfluous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 We need 1000 volunteers to give the biggest DCC investigation ever undertaken to prove a thought about runaways. Graham, It will help if you let readers know who you are and why you're seeking the information; I know, but it would be best to come from you if you want maximum participation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) My answer is Yes I have. stick that in the pot. And I know why. Edited February 13, 2018 by RAFHAAA96 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It's no secret that Taunton Controls Ltd is the current incarnation of ZTC. It would have been nice if the OP had signed it with a name. John K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Ava_Hay Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I rarely venture either opinion or experience to this sort of gathering of otherwise sensitive data for an uncertain purpose. It is made worse by the revelation several posts down that this is for some commercial purpose. I will gain no benefit and am not sure how the hobby will be enhanced for others either. On that basis and the fact that I have not had an uncontrolled movement on my layout that I wasn't aware of why it had happened, I do not believe that my input will be forthcoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2018 This is all most odd. Why must participants be over 18? Are we to be shown pics of a naked DCC packet? And why would telephone numbers be passed across? 1000 of them? The sales team is gonna be busy! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I suspect that the OP is now realsing that people arent quite as gullible as they used to be and is probably regretting phrasing the post in way it was 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) I've never had a runaway in N, OO or O Gauge, when I stop a Train / Loco, I ensure the controller is at ZERO, a good controller and a good operator should have no runaway issues as far as I can see, or am I just a lucky Guy? Edited February 15, 2018 by Andrew P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelcliffe Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I've never had a runaway in N, OO or O Gauge, when I stop a Train / Loco, I ensure the controller is at ZERO, a good controller and a good operator should have no runaway issues as far as I can see, or am I just a lucky Guy? Lucky. But the specific class of runaway I sometimes experience is a weirdo, its down to temperature and a particular decoder design (happens with multiple brands of control system, multiple locos with same decoder type on multiple layouts, but temperature is demonstrably a factor). I doubt information on it would help Taunton Controls much. However, as their survey is very poorly explained, I'll be ignoring it. - Nigel (who happens to be professionally qualified in an area which includes survey design). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I remember an amusing incident on an American HO layout when a point was thrown one loco would set off at full speed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2018 I remember an amusing incident on an American HO layout when a point was thrown one loco would set off at full speed! Exactly the scenario some of us have encountered, and seek to mitigate via CV29. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosland Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I had an uncontrolled movement after a chicken vindaloo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdj49 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 The DCC Investigation. A big thank you to those who have helped so far. Sorry that some of you feel we are doing this for commercial gain, we are hoping the results will help all DCC users and therefore the hobby. As well as running Taunton Controls Ltd. Graham and I also run Taunton Town Model Railway Club, a club for beginners. We have been experiencing runaways on the layout and on making enquiries have found a multitude of possible answers being suggested. We thought an investigation into the problem may show up some common denominators which would point to a solution. The results will be freely available to everyone. So we are asking for your help. The answers to the 8 questions are being logged and will undoubtedly lead to more questions which is why we asked for contact details. We will not sell your private details or use them for any other purpose and at the end of the investigation they will be destroyed. Pat and Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 So why not just do it as a Poll sort of thing on here? Or just simply even ask the question, in the DCC Section!! No need for emails & phone numbers etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I feel a massive breach of the Data Protection Act in the offing here. I'd drop the personally identifiable stuff and then it's just a list! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ELTEL Posted February 15, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2018 In the words of DRAGONS DEN I’m out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted February 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2018 As well as running Taunton Controls Ltd. Graham and I also run Taunton Town Model Railway Club, a club for beginners. We have been experiencing runaways on the layout and on making enquiries have found a multitude of possible answers being suggested. We thought an investigation into the problem may show up some common denominators which would point to a solution. The results will be freely available to everyone. Dump the cloak and dagger stuff, stop asking for people’s personal details and just use the forum’s existing threads to establish a dialogue. You will learn just as much - and avoid putting Taunton Controls under suspicion of ulterior and undisclosed motives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil S Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Apart from the need to rephrase the question(s) ....as mentioned there is no need to harvest data which is then at risk of hacking etc.... Because by using a poll on here, and then layer simply resurrecting the same thread, or even a new thread of similar title in the same section should attract back the same participants as previously. And why the need for 1000? That is more than some opinion polls take ! Also, if for example, a correlation is found that those who do not suffer runaways 'ever' (?) also have disabled analogue running by CV29 setting, does not solve the problem ... It only avoids the problem. Not the same thing. Ztc in earlier days advocated a switch to allow the user to delay powering the track.... But if this was necessary, then it should have been built in to the controller so that it was automatic. When I started with DCC in 00 ( having it already in g scale as MTS ), because I had zero-1, I also started with some of the ztc dual standard decoders (soon realising how uneconomc that was), and the their later releases up to the 255 ( which now seem inactive 8-( ). But once the Encoder lenz1000 was released I started using lenz decoders mostly, but I also changed to using roco multimaus as master .... So what change stopped runaways or simply avoided he combination that suffered? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taunton Controls Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 We ask for your HELP and a number of good modellers have answered the questions, without your fun reply's above. The reasons we asked for your help is to arrive at a definitive answer which we will make public for all to use. The reasons for the age limit is so we do not get charged with grooming in 20 years time. The reason for your first name ( not your surname ) is to have a name to call you if we need to chat further about your layout and how you wired your layout. The reason for asking the questions is to obtain straight answers. WE need All types of controllers to be represented and owners who have never had a runaway to ask how you set up you wiring and your system. We still need your help so please, please, please join in and help Data protection is covered and we do not need or want your surname just your help Ok so I am pleading yes pleading for your help Taunton Controls Ltd is conducting this investigation for the benefit of all who want to use a DCC system. My name is Graham (no surname) Director of T.C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2018 Used to get runaways when I used a pair of ZTC 511s, never had one since I ditched them. No other changes made on the layout. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Can you provide the confirmation that you will be meeting the forthcoming GDPR requirements? https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/ If you are not going to meet them fully then you will be in contravention and leaving yourself open to legal challenge. I suggest that as a small company you seriously reconsider the manner in which you are collecting and using this information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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