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Fitting DCC Sound to a Bachmann Windhoff MPV - advice required


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Okay, this will be my first DCC project, so I'm looking for some advice on choice of speaker, which I know nothing about.

 

I've ordered an ESU Loksound V4 decoder with Legomanbiffo's MPV sound project from DC Kits, which comes with a 40mm x 20mm speaker.   Fitting the decoder will be a straightforward removal of the existing blanking plate and adding the 21 pin decoder.  The MPV has a ready made speaker enclosure beside the motor under the deck, so again fitting a speaker, should, I hope, be straightforward, soldering one wire to the SP+ and the other wire to SP- on the 'motherboard'.  What I'm not clear on is whether the 40mm x 20 mm speaker will fit depth-wise and also what is the best quality speaker that will fit in this space? 

 

DC kits sell a 'Supersound Slim Bass Speaker', which at 30mm x 25mm x 6.3mm would fit the space, but this is an 8 ohm 1.5W speaker and I think the V4 decoders need a 4 ohm speaker.  If my understanding is correct, this means that I would need two 8 ohm speakers, which clearly wouldn't fit.

 

Obviously an 'Earthmover' is too big, but are there other options worth looking for? DC Kits also sell a 'Supersound 2Watt (3 Watt Maximum) 4ohm Bass Reflex Speaker' which I think has the correct resistance, but I'm not sure of the dimensions.

 

Is there any way of ascertaining what will sound best from specifications - ie is a higher wattage speaker better (because it is more powerful)?  Does anyone have any recommendations as to what I should seek to purchase that will fit a Bachmann Windhoff MPV?

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Hi.

Good luck with your 1st DCC project.

 

It is well worth giving Charlie @ DC Kits a call, as I'm sure that he will be able to advise you as to the correct choice & size of speaker.

 

He stocks a vast range,and from my own experience, he will only sell you what you really need, and is a pleasure to deal with.

 

Best regards, Paul

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From memory, there was only space for a 23mm round speaker in the enclosure provided by Bachmann. It may be possible to fit a larger/better speaker in one of the 'containers', with some discrete holes to let the sound out.

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An 8 ohm speaker should be fine with a chip designed to drive an 4 ohm load.

Trying to drive a 4 ohm load with a chip designed for 8 ohms would potentially be more of a problem. The impedance is lower, so the current draw is higher.

 

A speaker which can handle more power (watts) will not make a difference in this situation. You will only get more volume from it if you can drive it with a more powerful amplifier. (An XL chip designed for O Gauge for instance).

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Okay, this will be my first DCC project, so I'm looking for some advice on choice of speaker, which I know nothing about.

 

I've ordered an ESU Loksound V4 decoder with Legomanbiffo's MPV sound project from DC Kits, which comes with a 40mm x 20mm speaker.   Fitting the decoder will be a straightforward removal of the existing blanking plate and adding the 21 pin decoder.  The MPV has a ready made speaker enclosure beside the motor under the deck, so again fitting a speaker, should, I hope, be straightforward, soldering one wire to the SP+ and the other wire to SP- on the 'motherboard'.  What I'm not clear on is whether the 40mm x 20 mm speaker will fit depth-wise and also what is the best quality speaker that will fit in this space? 

 

DC kits sell a 'Supersound Slim Bass Speaker', which at 30mm x 25mm x 6.3mm would fit the space, but this is an 8 ohm 1.5W speaker and I think the V4 decoders need a 4 ohm speaker.  If my understanding is correct, this means that I would need two 8 ohm speakers, which clearly wouldn't fit.

 

Obviously an 'Earthmover' is too big, but are there other options worth looking for? DC Kits also sell a 'Supersound 2Watt (3 Watt Maximum) 4ohm Bass Reflex Speaker' which I think has the correct resistance, but I'm not sure of the dimensions.

 

Is there any way of ascertaining what will sound best from specifications - ie is a higher wattage speaker better (because it is more powerful)?  Does anyone have any recommendations as to what I should seek to purchase that will fit a Bachmann Windhoff MPV?

Put 2 X Sugarcube speakers in one of the modules (In Parallel), then its loud.   Charlie

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Put 2 X Sugarcube speakers in one of the modules (In Parallel), then its loud.   Charlie

 

Is 'loud' best? 

 

I wasn't sure that a 'cube' would fit (hence ordering the 20 mm x 40 mm speaker, which might), but some further research suggests that these sugar cubes vary in size, are not actually cubes, and some would probably be flat enough - I found a 7 mm depth version somewhere.  What is the 'bass' like on these and could I use two different types of 8 ohm speaker in parallel (eg a slim bass speaker and a low profile sugar cube) to get a fuller range of sounds?

 

I'll catch up with Charlie at DC Kits at Model Rail Scotland this weekend, so hope to have something that fits next week.    

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Is 'loud' best? 

 

I wasn't sure that a 'cube' would fit (hence ordering the 20 mm x 40 mm speaker, which might), but some further research suggests that these sugar cubes vary in size, are not actually cubes, and some would probably be flat enough - I found a 7 mm depth version somewhere.  What is the 'bass' like on these and could I use two different types of 8 ohm speaker in parallel (eg a slim bass speaker and a low profile sugar cube) to get a fuller range of sounds?

 

I'll catch up with Charlie at DC Kits at Model Rail Scotland this weekend, so hope to have something that fits next week.

The bass performance of any small speaker depends on two parameters; size and size of the rear enclosure. Since the first parameter is controlled by the available space, a lot of the bass performance can be usefully heard by careful sealing of the enclosure and perhaps directing the sound from the front of the speaker towards another ventilated box or metal plate.

 

Sugar cube speakers are a marvel and give very adequate bass performance that belies their size......as long as they are correctly placed and the enclosure is air tight.

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When I did mine years back I noticed that there were a couple of solder tabs under the chassis had the possibility of shorting out the chip if you fitted a 20x40 speaker without any housing

 

It was that long ago it was before the introduction of the likes of sugercube speakers and small ‘decent’ bass enhanced speakers

 

Found the thread, 7 years old!!

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/48368-howes-sound-chipped-bachmannmpv-lok-sound-v35-version/?fromsearch=1

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