RMweb Premium Ncarter2 Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2018 What’s the chances this becomes a limited edition next? 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM47079 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 It’s bound to be done. It’s probably more a question of who may commission it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37081LochLong Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 My wish is that no one commissions it and Bachmann release it as a general release loco instead so the retailers can discount it... But we all know thats not going to happen and we will have to pay the commission price instead 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Mmmm.....just a thought... 790 in Railfreight Red Stripe, 791 in TTG Railfreight (General Markings) 792 in Loadhaul (although unlikely as I image the design rights passed to EWS and then DB.......but it would look striking and probably suit the Class 66 very well! Regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ncarter2 Posted March 5, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2018 My wish is that no one commissions it and Bachmann release it as a general release loco instead so the retailers can discount it... But we all know thats not going to happen and we will have to pay the commission price instead It’s a shame especially when you consider how old the model tooling is now and there are superior models cheaper. If anyone from GBRF is on here that has the power, what about 66701 in Railfreight red stripe or distribution ? Mmmm.....just a thought... 790 in Railfreight Red Stripe, 791 in TTG Railfreight (General Markings) 792 in Loadhaul (although unlikely as I image the design rights passed to EWS and then DB.......but it would look striking and probably suit the Class 66 very well! Regards, C. Wouldn’t mind a mainline blue one!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ncarter2 Posted March 5, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2018 It’s a shame especially when you consider how old the model tooling is now and there are superior models cheaper. If anyone from GBRF is on here that has the power, what about 66701 in Railfreight red stripe or distribution ? Wouldn’t mind a mainline blue one!!! Getting carried away now but transrail Dutch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Whats wrong with good old banger blue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) It’s a shame especially when you consider how old the model tooling is now and there are superior models cheaper. Absolutely. As much as I like all these recent special colour schemes on 'sheds' (particularly from the GBRf camp), I've no interest in yet another relivery of an over-priced and outdated model. Now, if someone should care to produce a decent 66 then I'll eagerly shell out for all the limited editions and, over time, likely half-a-dozen each of the more standard liveries. Maybe Realtrack, DJ Models or someone similar will go for it? I can live in hope, hehe... Edited March 8, 2018 by YesTor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Bear in mind that 66779 Evening Star is a main range model, I can easily see the same happening with 789. Bachmann will know how well it will sell and is an easy enough release for them, with the tooling all in place and just the artwork to produce. As to whether retailers can discount them, that all depends on how long they hang about! I'm pretty sure it would be a big seller! Cheers J 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37081LochLong Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 As to whether retailers can discount them, that all depends on how long they hang about! I'm pretty sure it would be a big seller! If it was released as a standard release it would be discounted from day one of release by all the decent retailers, but if it was a commissioned model, the shop that commissioned it wouldn't discount them at all unless they couldn't sell them which is unlikely! Shops seem quite happy to hold stocks of commissioned items for years before even thinking of discounting them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Is it just me, or does a class 66 and large logo blue just not look right? Evening star, I thought suited the br green logo, but I just find myself starring at the photo and screwing my face up trying to like it!!! Perhaps i’m Just too old fashioned and prefer seeing large logo livery on 20, 26, 37, 47, 50 and 56’s.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steve Purves Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 6, 2018 Absolutely. As much as I like all these recent special colour schemes on 'sheds' (particularly from the GBRf camp), I've no interest in yet another relivery of an over-priced and outdated model. Now, if someone should care to produce a decent 66 then I'll eagerly shell out for all the limited editions and, over time, likely half-a-dozen each of the more standard liveries. Maybe Realtrack, DJ Models or someone similar will go for it. I can live in hope, hehe... I'm curious as to what is particularly wrong with the Bachmann shed? I have always found it to be a decent enough model. I certainly haven't a problem with owning a few myself! CoK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Is it just me, or does a class 66 and large logo blue just not look right? Evening star, I thought suited the br green logo, but I just find myself starring at the photo and screwing my face up trying to like it!!! Perhaps i’m Just too old fashioned and prefer seeing large logo livery on 20, 26, 37, 47, 50 and 56’s.... I don't think it sits easily on it because of the shape of the 66 and in particular the high bodyline in comparison to something like a 47 or 50 that Large Logo ideally suited. But well done GBRf for bringing a bit more variety to the railway. I suspect this will be a special commission from somebody, but maybe not for some time. Hasn't there just been a release of new 66s and Ltd editions in the last few months . Probably a little while before the 66 gets a position in the production cycle . Large Logo is a relatively simple paint job though. Even I managed it 30 odd years ago, so I'll bet we see a good few painted examples on layouts. Edited March 6, 2018 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 6, 2018 I'm far from being a fan of sheds, but I have to say I do think 66789 looks good in Large Logo Blue. As others have said it would make a good limited edition, but I suspect the timing couldn't have been worse. Bachmann is in the process of delivering a considerable number of catalogue and limited edition Class 66s and since they tack limited editions onto standard production runs, I suspect it will be a couple of years before they produce any more. So there could be a long wait. In that vein though and with all these new liveries coming out at the moment, perhaps Bachmann should consider producing extra chassis and bodyshells to their current production runs and then, when a new limited edition is requested, they only have to produce the artwork and find a slot to paint the already produced bodyshells. This would reduce delivery times considerably and so the model would appear when the actual loco was still in the livery. Yes there might be an issue with matching bodyshell versions (e.g. light clusters) but that wouldn't be insurmountable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Given the popularity of "Evening Star" this will almost certainly be released in the main range. This will be a very popular model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) I'm curious as to what is particularly wrong with the Bachmann shed? I have always found it to be a decent enough model. I certainly haven't a problem with owning a few myself! CoK Nothing much . And if they did retool it it would be too expensive for those moaning about the current version ! Edited March 6, 2018 by rob D2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2018 Somewhere, I have a GM sales presentation to BR, proposing the class 59 as a rival to the class 60. It included artwork of liveries. When I find it i’ll Cross compare and see how close it came to today’s reality. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Is it just me, or does a class 66 and large logo blue just not look right? Evening star, I thought suited the br green logo, but I just find myself starring at the photo and screwing my face up trying to like it!!! Perhaps i’m Just too old fashioned and prefer seeing large logo livery on 20, 26, 37, 47, 50 and 56’s.... I thought the same but then realised that they've done it wrong. The large logo liveries had the BR logo and TOPS number much further apart and nearer the cabs. Even though the grilles are in the way the BR logo should be further to the right next to the grilles, and the numbers further to the left. And the yellow on the cabs extends too far back due to the design of the 66 (one door is yellow, the other blue) so all in all it doesn't quite work. Not my image.... https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7057/26666499300_252de992f3_b.jpg Edited March 6, 2018 by ruggedpeak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 The basic Bachmann 66 still stands up reasonably well today, especially at the side of the Hornby Toy, which company will do this one first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Mac Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I thought the same but then realised that they've done it wrong. The large logo liveries had the BR logo and TOPS number much further apart and nearer the cabs. Even though the grilles are in the way the BR logo should be further to the right next to the grilles, and the numbers further to the left. And the yellow on the cabs extends too far back due to the design of the 66 (one door is yellow, the other blue) so all in all it doesn't quite work. Not my image.... https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7057/26666499300_252de992f3_b.jpg Couldn’t agree more..... i’m Sure it’ll be a very popular release, and rightly so, as any company that uses a little artistic licence on their fleet should be celebrated in model form..... but she ain’t pretty!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) I'm curious as to what is particularly wrong with the Bachmann shed? I have always found it to be a decent enough model. I certainly haven't a problem with owning a few myself! CoK I'm kind of borrowing this link from the Hornby 'Design Clever' topic running elsewhere, but compare the absolutely outstanding level of detail on a model such as this https://www.scaletrains.com/collections/rivet-counter-ho-scale-ge-tier-4-gevo/products/rivet-counter-ho-scale-ge-tier-4-gevo-union-pacific against Bachmann's 'shed'. There is simply no comparison. And okay, before you guys shoot me down in flames for having an opinion that doesn't ride with the majority, sure, I realize that one is a UK model and the other a US produced model, however the Class 66 has many similarities in terms of styling and detail to many US EMD and GE prototypes (for obvious reasons), and the Scaletrains model above shows just what can be done. Okay, Bachmann's shed was probably acceptable for its time, but things have moved on, a lot. Add to this the fact that an import of the US diesel can be picked up in the UK for £169.00, not bad when Bachy's shed starts at around £144 these days? Nothing much . And if they did retool it it would be too expensive for those moaning about the current version ! That's always going to be the case for some, but personally at £144 onwards for the existing model, well, my personal feeling is that it represents poor value for money, so I'll keep my dosh in my pocket thanks. Personally, I'd rather pay more for a quality model, and as much as I would like numerous 'sheds', at present I'm diverting funds elsewhere because there are far better models on the market for the same/similar prices. With the sheer amount of 'sheds' that Bachmann are releasing I can't help but think that they are milking the current model for all it is worth. That's not necessarily a criticism or an attack, as by default that's what businesses tend to do, however as consumers we have the choice as to whether we are susceptible to such tactics. Just my opinion, and I realize that others will differ, naturally. Edited March 7, 2018 by YesTor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I thought the same but then realised that they've done it wrong. The large logo liveries had the BR logo and TOPS number much further apart and nearer the cabs. Even though the grilles are in the way the BR logo should be further to the right next to the grilles, and the numbers further to the left. And the yellow on the cabs extends too far back due to the design of the 66 (one door is yellow, the other blue) so all in all it doesn't quite work. Not my image.... https://farm8.static.flickr.com/7057/26666499300_252de992f3_b.jpg Im afraid theres nothing wrong with the way that the GB 66 has been done. Its numbers and BR logo are done to match the same positioning as the lettering would be done on the rest of the GB fleet, so in many ways the BR number and loco are in the right place, they are just swapped over. With regards the traditional position, that can change with different locomotive types and where grills and body work features are, which is the same as this class 66. In many ways the 66 is very similar in the way it is applied to a class 50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted March 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2018 Im afraid theres nothing wrong with the way that the GB 66 has been done. Its numbers and BR logo are done to match the same positioning as the lettering would be done on the rest of the GB fleet, so in many ways the BR number and loco are in the right place, they are just swapped over. With regards the traditional position, that can change with different locomotive types and where grills and body work features are, which is the same as this class 66. In many ways the 66 is very similar in the way it is applied to a class 50. I agree it is more akin to the livery on class 50's but that was arguably slightly different to the way the large logo was applied to other classes (37, 47, 56 etc). I think it's great that GBRf have done this, however. Hopefully they will do some more - Railfreight sector livery, InterCity swallow etc! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I'm kind of borrowing this link from the Hornby 'Design Clever' topic running elsewhere, but compare the absolutely outstanding level of detail on a model such as this https://www.scaletrains.com/collections/rivet-counter-ho-scale-ge-tier-4-gevo/products/rivet-counter-ho-scale-ge-tier-4-gevo-union-pacific against Bachmann's 'shed'. There is simply no comparison. And okay, before you guys shoot me down in flames for having an opinion that doesn't ride with the majority, sure, I realize that one is a UK model and the other a US produced model, however the Class 66 has many similarities in terms of styling and detail to many US EMD and GE prototypes (for obvious reasons), and the Scaletrains model above shows just what can be done. Okay, Bachmann's shed was probably acceptable for its time, but things have moved on, a lot. Add to this the fact that an import of the US diesel can be picked up in the UK for £169.00, not bad when Bachy's shed starts at around £144 these days? That's always going to be the case for some, but personally at £144 onwards for the existing model, well, my personal feeling is that it represents poor value for money, so I'll keep my dosh in my pocket thanks. Personally, I'd rather pay more for a quality model, and as much as I would like numerous 'sheds', at present I'm diverting funds elsewhere because there are far better models on the market for the same/similar prices. With the sheer amount of 'sheds' that Bachmann are releasing I can't help but think that they are milking the current model for all it is worth. That's not necessarily a criticism or an attack, as by default that's what businesses tend to do, however as consumers we have the choice as to whether we are susceptible to such tactics. Just my opinion, and I realize that others will differ, naturally. I see your point, but how much more are you willing to pay for more detail ? Personally I don't want too much more as otherwise we go down the route of the Hornby 50 and 60 where they are a bit too fragile in places and susceptible to bits getting. Knocked off. As for this repaint, I think it's great that it will stimulate more interest especially amongst the younger modellers, but to me a shed is EWS red and a class 50 is large logo....and that's the way it has to be ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Couldn’t agree more..... i’m Sure it’ll be a very popular release, and rightly so, as any company that uses a little artistic licence on their fleet should be celebrated in model form..... but she ain’t pretty!!! It's clearly been done as it has to equalise the amount of yellow at each end. The alternatives, if both doors are required to be the same colour, is to have more yellow at one end than the other or have the yellow finish part way along one cabside. They could have left the yellow off the sides altogether, but then it wouldn't really have been large logo blue at all, would it? I think the way they've chosen to do it is by far the least worst option. John Edited March 7, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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