Art Dent Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Hi Folks Well, a price has now appeared for the Bachmann model of the Ransomes and Rapier 45-ton crane and it is a whopping £212.46 (available for pre-order at Hattons - link: http://www.hattons.co.uk/107216/Bachmann_Branchline_38_803_45_ton_Ransomes_and_Rapier_crane_in_BR_gulf_red/StockDetail.aspx ) Yes, the model is highly detailed (although we haven't seen a properly painted sample - possibly at York??) but it isn't an operating crane with internal electrics, nor is it DCC ready (as far as I can tell). I'd like the thoughts of forum members - is Bachmann justified in setting the rrp this high? Art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 It's a lot of money but where do I get similar detail. To modify a cheaper ready to run model would take many hours and would not the same as what Bachmann is producing. Looking forward to seeing the painted versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 3 highly detailed wagons or runners........easily £20/25 each if sold separately which leaves the crane itself coming in at about £130/140 or thereabouts. Bit of a bargain really. You want decent models, you have to pay decent prices for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 is Bachmann justified in setting the rrp this high? Of course it can be justified based on their development and production costs to give a margin for the business and retailers. I'm one of relatively few people not from Bachmann who has had a chance to get very close to it, handle it and play with the functions and my personal view is that it is worth the price, but that isn't the question you asked. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I've gone all weak at the knees/bank account............. .....now what version, that's the rub Emma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Hi Folks Well, a price has now appeared for the Bachmann model of the Ransomes and Rapier 45-ton crane and it is a whopping £212.46 (available for pre-order at Hattons - link: http://www.hattons.co.uk/107216/Bachmann_Branchline_38_803_45_ton_Ransomes_and_Rapier_crane_in_BR_gulf_red/StockDetail.aspx ) Yes, the model is highly detailed (although we haven't seen a properly painted sample - possibly at York??) but it isn't an operating crane with internal electrics, nor is it DCC ready (as far as I can tell). I'd like the thoughts of forum members - is Bachmann justified in setting the rrp this high? Art what price do you think would stop your eyes from watering and would make your wallet open up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yawn. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Think I'd rather spend my money on this than the rail mounted gun - no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted March 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 27, 2018 I was disappointed that the prototype wasn't available to see at A.P., bearing in mind both Hattons and Bachmann were there. I have one on order with Hattons (when the quoted price was way, way lower) but am decidedly wobbly about the price now. Especially as I've realised I can get a basic SLW Class 24 for a fair bit less, or not a huge amount more for the sound option. Whilst the crane is really, really nice, in practice it would for the most part on many layouts often be sitting in a siding. Or in a display case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Dent Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) I was disappointed that the prototype wasn't available to see at A.P., bearing in mind both Hattons and Bachmann were there. I have one on order with Hattons (when the quoted price was way, way lower) but am decidedly wobbly about the price now. Especially as I've realised I can get a basic SLW Class 24 for a fair bit less, or not a huge amount more for the sound option. Whilst the crane is really, really nice, in practice it would for the most part on many layouts often be sitting in a siding. Or in a display case.. Totally agree Yawn. Mike. Err... thanks (I think). Art Edited March 27, 2018 by Art Dent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2018 Is the crane suitable for all regions? ,kind of hoping not suitable for east Anglia! Trouble is with it there are not any suitable tool vans to go with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Dent Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Is the crane suitable for all regions? ,kind of hoping not suitable for east Anglia! Trouble is with it there are not any suitable tool vans to go with it Hi Russ There are several different variants - four I think. Bachmann part numbers, 38-800 in SR Black, 38-801 in GWR Black, 38-802 in BR Black (Early Crest) and 38-803 in BR Gulf Red (link below) http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/?s=Ransomes Art Edited March 27, 2018 by Art Dent 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Oh dear, the red one looks too good... When did the get painted red? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2018 it is a whopping £212.46 I'd like the thoughts of forum members - is Bachmann justified in setting the rrp this high? Art First, can we know what you think it is worth and why ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Dent Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) First, can we know what you think it is worth and why ? Hi Chris, I was thinking up to £150/160. That wouldn't have surprised me (and I would't have really balked at that). Over £200 and I went O.O Oh dear, the red one looks too good... When did the get painted red? Hi Bigbee, Maybe this site will be of interest. Not sure it answers your question though! http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/wagon/RS1083.HTML This thread discusses the livery applied to the cranes. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63621-bristollaira-breakdown-crane-livery-for-the-70s80s/ Suggests that they were still black into the early 1970's. Art Edited March 28, 2018 by Art Dent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2018 Hi Chris, I was thinking up to £150/160. That wouldn't have surprised me (and I would't have really balked at that). Over £200 and I went O.O Thanks. I can see why some might think it too much, but as Black Rat says there's a lot there for your money. There is quite a risk with a project such as this and I can understand that they're trying to recover their development costs as well as make a profit. I think the days of large and long production runs which could cover costs over a long period of time are long ago. It's not for me but if I wanted one I'd pay it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Thanks. I can see why some might think it too much, but as Black Rat says there's a lot there for your money. There is quite a risk with a project such as this and I can understand that they're trying to recover their development costs as well as make a profit. I think the days of large and long production runs which could cover costs over a long period of time are long ago. It's not for me but if I wanted one I'd pay it. This looks brilliant and we all want one but I can't reconcile the price with what you get. This makes the Kernow 4TC and the LT S Stock look to be very good value for money as well as all the locos that have broken through the £100 mark. Perhaps this is a clever ploy on Bachmann's behalf?!!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Surely "making a profit" already includes "covering their development costs" ? If not they wouldn't be in business much longer. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2018 Surely "making a profit" already includes "covering their development costs" ? If not they wouldn't be in business much longer. Stewart I'll condense it to 'Make money' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) This looks brilliant and we all want one but I can't reconcile the price with what you get. This makes the Kernow 4TC and the LT S Stock look to be very good value for money as well as all the locos that have broken through the £100 mark. Perhaps this is a clever ploy on Bachmann's behalf?!!. Think of it as a loco, less the twenty quid or so that the motor + gears + circuit-board cost, plus three wagons. None of it using any existing tooling other than wheels and couplings. Doesn't look quite so unreasonable, then, does it? John Edited March 28, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 How much do you think that you would have to pay to have one professionally built? Very much more than a little over £ 200, I'll wager. I suspect that even if one built one oneself so that there was no labour cost, one would spend a fair amount of money on materials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2018 I was disappointed that the prototype wasn't available to see at A.P., bearing in mind both Hattons and Bachmann were there. I have one on order with Hattons (when the quoted price was way, way lower) but am decidedly wobbly about the price now. Especially as I've realised I can get a basic SLW Class 24 for a fair bit less, or not a huge amount more for the sound option. Whilst the crane is really, really nice, in practice it would for the most part on many layouts often be sitting in a siding. Or in a display case. The EPs were at AP within the Bachmann stand, other retailers such as Hattons would not have the EPs on display as they are on general release and is not a single retailer commission. As Andy said the model is impressive, higly details and can be manually operated and posed, and the only other option to obtain such a model has been the excellent Wild Boar Models 3D print kit (which I am a happy customer of) by the time you add the time taken to build the kit and the kit cost itself the Bachmann version is of comparable value. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Hi Chris, I was thinking up to £150/160. That wouldn't have surprised me (and I would't have really balked at that). Over £200 and I went O.O Hi Bigbee, Maybe this site will be of interest. Not sure it answers your question though! http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/wagon/RS1083.HTML This thread discusses the livery applied to the cranes. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/63621-bristollaira-breakdown-crane-livery-for-the-70s80s/ Suggests that they were still black into the early 1970's. Art ....... which suggests that Hornby Dublo got it wrong painting their model red whenever they introduced it in the fifties or sixties ........... surely not !!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2018 I don't know if it's me or something else but I'm suffering a major bout of déja vu with this thread, It's over three weeks since the Hattons price of £212.46 was first mentioned on RMweb, it's slightly longer since the Bachmann RRP of £250 first emerged on RMweb and both of those were in the correct thread in the Bachmann area of the forum. The matter of the price of the Bachmann R&R crane and its perceived value for money has been done to death on that tread, the various versions announced have been gone into in considerable detail with some excellent additional information. And i think it's very good value for money in view of everything which has already been written about it and illustrated in a video presentation. So why are we know having a re-run of past information and past debate in a totally different area of the forum which has very tenuous links, to say the least, with the subject of a breakdown crane (yes I do know they were used for bridge renewals and that bridges are part of the infrastructure, but ....... ). i'm off to press the Report button 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted March 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2018 The EPs were at AP within the Bachmann stand, other retailers such as Hattons would not have the EPs on display as they are on general release and is not a single retailer commission. I did specifically ask at both the Hattons and Bachmann stands and was told they didn't have it with them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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