Covkid Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Trying to research details of private owner wagons used for dumping colliery waste on the internal user systems. From what I have seen so far these vehicles appear to be probably of timber frame construction with maybe 9 foot wheelbase, then with a fairly shallow timber body which seems to be designed to tilt to the side. Not sure if these vehicles tended only to be common in the Midlands. Welcome any contributions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) As an ilustration I present "exhibit A" although the image is not great. https://i1.wp.com/brownhillsbob.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/image001.png?ssl=1 Edited March 28, 2018 by Covkid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Trying to research details of private owner wagons used for dumping colliery waste on the internal user systems. From what I have seen so far these vehicles appear to be probably of timber frame construction with maybe 9 foot wheelbase, then with a fairly shallow timber body which seems to be designed to tilt to the side. Not sure if these vehicles tended only to be common in the Midlands. Welcome any contributions. A quick look through Paul Bartlett's collection threw up just one view, and that of only the underframe of such a wagon:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/wakefieldstjohncolliery In the North-Eastern pits, superannuated hoppers were used, whilst elsewhere it seems to have be internal-user minerals of varied parentage. As an ilustration I present "exhibit A" although the image is not great. https://i1.wp.com/brownhillsbob.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/image001.png?ssl=1 Where was that taken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunnan Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 There is a good shot of a raft of them on PGHs Moving Coal layout thread, more than likely a scratch build job. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/76110-moving-coal-a-colliery-layout-in-0-gauge/?p=1166217 Then there is also the RT models route with their Hudson tipper or modifying their MSC contractors tipper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 A quick look through Paul Bartlett's collection threw up just one view, and that of only the underframe of such a wagon:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/wakefieldstjohncolliery In the North-Eastern pits, superannuated hoppers were used, whilst elsewhere it seems to have be internal-user minerals of varied parentage. Where was that taken? Postwar, the all steel hudson style sidetipper was almost universal at Yorkshire pits which did not use an ariel ropeway. By the early '70s, examples of these tippers were being transferred from the Durham area to Yorkshire. The spoil lines were by their nature, temporary or medium term at best. The side tippers could be unloaded without additional facilities or teams of labour. If anyone has definite information about the prewar era I would love to hear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 RT models: Hudson side tipper. Manchester Ship canal type side tipper. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) The ironworks near to Banbury used to use similar wagons,but were more like the ones Bachmann do for On30,not convential wagon chassis as in photo at top. Does anyone have any drawings or better photos. Edited March 28, 2018 by rue_d_etropal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Where was that taken? It was Coppice colliery in Heath Hayes with the Harpers bus depot on the hill behind it. This was part of an intricate network of colliery lines to the West of the current Chasewater Railway near Brownhills As an ilustration I present "exhibit A" although the image is not great. https://i1.wp.com/brownhillsbob.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/image001.png?ssl=1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 There is a good shot of a raft of them on PGHs Moving Coal layout thread, more than likely a scratch build job. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/76110-moving-coal-a-colliery-layout-in-0-gauge/?p=1166217 Brilliant "Zunnan". Thanks very much for the link. Just what I was looking for - thanks also to "PGH". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 There are two of the Sheffield Corporation ones still in existence with one at the NRM Shildon and the other at the Middleton Railway. Beamish has one lettered ACC but I am unsure of it origins! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 The Sheffield Corporation wagons were a larger version that was cleared for main line use to the sewage works near the M1 flyover. Being all steel and perfect scrap, these side tippers faced an overnight extinction as the pits closed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Try a u tube search for "water haigh". This colliery was on the south east of Leeds. This is a slide show taken in the 1960s. Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparkdave Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 RT models: Hudson side tipper. Manchester Ship canal type side tipper. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesparkdave Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 These Hudson tippers were used on the Waterside system in Ayrshire. I could do with some in oo gauge, does anyone make rtr versions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Nope, and unlikely to appear as the more numerous short WB versions never ran on BR. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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