First Generation Eastern & North Eastern Diesels In Colour

[valleymodeller]

First Generation Eastern & North Eastern Diesels In Colour by David Dunn and published by Book Law arrived today.

 

Following on from the previous book on Scottish Diesels by the same author this book once again has superb colour photos of diesels over the two named regions.

 

Almost all photos are of the green diesel period of 1960s, and some later, with the odd smattering of blue. The book takes a geographical journey, starting in the North East and ending in London, but does not appear to have any photos from East Anglia.

 

The books is equally as good as the earlier Scottish themed book and I can only recommended as an avid reader (or looker at pictures!).

 

Well worth the money.

 

Tony

[Ben04uk]

Thanks for the heads-up. That is a shame there are no photos from East Anglia but I'm sure it will be an interesting read regardless.

[Ian Stewart]

East Anglia to follow?

[Pint of Adnams]

First Generation Eastern & North Eastern Diesels In Colour by David Dunn and published by Book Law arrived today.

 

Following on from the previous book on Scottish Diesels by the same author this book once again has superb colour photos of diesels over the two named regions.

 

Almost all photos are of the green diesel period of 1960s, and some later, with the odd smattering of blue. The book takes a geographical journey, starting in the North East and ending in London, but does not appear to have any photos from East Anglia.

 

The books is equally as good as the earlier Scottish themed book and I can only recommended as an avid reader (or looker at pictures!).

 

Well worth the money.

 

Tony

That's a very misleading title then if East Anglia is omitted, especially since it was the very first area of BR to become a steamless zone.

 

I have also noted in similar supposedly early years of the diesels publications (either by area or classes) that the period before yellow warning panels is poorly represented, even though this represented the real first generation diesels. Early in the 1960s new variants and modifications were already appearing.

 

Thanks for the warning; I shan't be spending my money on it.

[Clive Mortimore]

That's a very misleading title then if East Anglia is omitted, especially since it was the very first area of BR to become a steamless zone.

 

I have also noted in similar supposedly early years of the diesels publications (either by area or classes) that the period before yellow warning panels is poorly represented, even though this represented the real first generation diesels. Early in the 1960s new variants and modifications were already appearing.

 

Thanks for the warning; I shan't be spending my money on it.

There may be a lack of photos form East Anglia. The content of the book is very good.

[sb67]

Got mine at Ally Pally last week and there's some great pics in there, including one with a Type 2 diesel and an orange and yellow warning panel that I haven't seen too often. Definitely a good read.

Steve.

[Enterprisingwestern]

That's a very misleading title then if East Anglia is omitted, especially since it was the very first area of BR to become a steamless zone.

 

I have also noted in similar supposedly early years of the diesels publications (either by area or classes) that the period before yellow warning panels is poorly represented, even though this represented the real first generation diesels. Early in the 1960s new variants and modifications were already appearing.

 

Thanks for the warning; I shan't be spending my money on it.

 

You could always send them some of your pictures?

 

Mike.

[Pint of Adnams]

You could always send them some of your pictures?

 

Mike.

If I already had photographs I wouldn't be interested in the absence of them elsewhere but, since I was still wearing shorts and attending primary school when the first generation diesels appeared, I was hardly likely to have taken any. 'My' local railway went directly from steam to EMUs.

[valleymodeller]

Despite my earlier post stating there was little or no East Anglia photos there is a strong emphasis on the North East, which is an area I have found is often ignored in photographic books.

 

I have both this book and the previous on eon Scotland and the picture quality is excellent and two of the best I've bought in recent years.

[russ p]

Got mine at Ally Pally last week and there's some great pics in there, including one with a Type 2 diesel and an orange and yellow warning panel that I haven't seen too often. Definitely a good read.

Steve.

 

Going a bit off topic anyone know when this was repainted and into what colour?

[Enterprisingwestern]

If I already had photographs I wouldn't be interested in the absence of them elsewhere but, since I was still wearing shorts and attending primary school when the first generation diesels appeared, I was hardly likely to have taken any. 'My' local railway went directly from steam to EMUs.

 

In that case don't complain about the lack of them not taken by other people, be grateful for what there is, or source your own and print a book.

I still buy books which contain my pictures, you can't wear blinkers all your life.

 

Mike.

[sb67]

Going a bit off topic anyone know when this was repainted and into what colour?

There's a website called derbysulzers.com, not sure if that would help but might be worth a look.

Steve.

[robertcwp]

There are lots of very interesting photos in this book and I think it's well worth having if you are into 1960s diesels.

 

Some of the captions are not great, however, as they appear to have been written by someone who does not know what he is looking at. The XP64 stock is not mentioned (page 70) and neither is the unusual D5835 picked up on (page 68 - look at the grilles). 

[Clive Mortimore]

There are lots of very interesting photos in this book and I think it's well worth having if you are into 1960s diesels.

 

Some of the captions are not great, however, as they appear to have been written by someone who does not know what he is looking at. The XP64 stock is not mentioned (page 70) and neither is the unusual D5835 picked up on (page 68 - look at the grilles). 

Hi Robert

 

When I scratchbuilt a Brush Type 2 I numbered it D5835, the 2000hp version. Someone at a show pointed out it should have the extra grilles. I didn't believe him, until I found a photo of 31 302 with the extra grilles. The scratchbuilt one was renumbered and a Tri-ang model was cut about and given the extra grilles. I was so pleased with myself in having a model of this one off Brush Type 2. Until I was shown photos taken on the same day of both sides. The real one only has the extra grilles on one side.

[jonny777]

That's a very misleading title then if East Anglia is omitted, especially since it was the very first area of BR to become a steamless zone.

 

I have also noted in similar supposedly early years of the diesels publications (either by area or classes) that the period before yellow warning panels is poorly represented, even though this represented the real first generation diesels. Early in the 1960s new variants and modifications were already appearing.

 

 

 

 

 

In those early diesel days, the vast majority of men with cameras seemed to avoid diesels like the plague, which accounts for the limited number available. 

 

I have hundreds of commercial steam dvds (or vhs videos copied to dvd) collected over the past 35 years, and it is very noticeable on most of them how at the sight of a diesel creeping into the shot, the camera is panned slightly to get rid of it, or filming is stopped briefly in oder to get a 'better' angle, i.e. one without a diesel in it. 

 

As an ER fan, this is taken to extremes on most cine footage taken at Kings Cross, where even the merest hint of a diesel in the background is avoided if at all possible. I find it rather depressing to catch a brief glimpse of a Baby Deltic or class 15 on empty stock, or a commuter stopper; only for the clip to stop and restart after the departing ER pacific has obscured the offending "box on wheels". 

 

I suppose we should be grateful that a few more-enlightened photographers risked severe embarrassment and becoming a social misfit by filming diesels in the 1958-62 period, but I am saddened to think of all the events which went unrecorded. 

[Phil Bullock]

Hi Robert

 

When I scratchbuilt a Brush Type 2 I numbered it D5835, the 2000hp version. Someone at a show pointed out it should have the extra grilles. I didn't believe him, until I found a photo of 31 302 with the extra grilles. The scratchbuilt one was renumbered and a Tri-ang model was cut about and given the extra grilles. I was so pleased with myself in having a model of this one off Brush Type 2. Until I was shown photos taken on the same day of both sides. The real one only has the extra grilles on one side.

 

Pedant alert whoop whoop sirens flashing bells etc

 

Doesn't that make D5835 a Brush type 4 then Clive?

 

Pedant mode off....

 

Phil

[Clive Mortimore]

Pedant alert whoop whoop sirens flashing bells etc

 

Doesn't that make D5835 a Brush type 4 then Clive?

 

Pedant mode off....

 

Phil

It was bad enough to get the model wrong........... twice......

[robertcwp]

Now you see them, now you don't:

 

https://flic.kr/p/dzZEH9

 

https://flic.kr/p/b5BwTn