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Wallet? What is this wallet you speak of? It's the credit card which can feel it's back being broken. :lol:

 

If we assume an intent to release for Warley this year then we should be placing orders now based upon the popularity of the CEP. That is to be reissued at about the same time also thanks to the quick sell-out of the first runs so potentially denting the bank balances even further and of course not at the same very attractive price it was possible to secure the early ones at.

 

I'll hold off for a little longer before making the decision on whether or not I can justify a 2EPB as there would be no use for it on the layout. It would, as with the CEPs, be admired far more than run unless my ideas for a SR 3rd rail model ever come to fruition. Don't hold your breath waiting though.

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Thought I'd start this thread for the upcoming information exchange, discussions, pre-production model pictures etc.

 

Gents, just a polite request please. Whilst the above is fair enough if it leads to an interesting debate, please let's not have six months of 'I'm going to buy a blue one' or (worse still) endless wishlists of other SR units.

 

Your co-operation is appreciated ;)

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Gents, just a polite request please. Whilst the above is fair enough if it leads to an interesting debate, please let's not have six months of 'I'm going to buy a blue one' or (worse still) endless wishlists of other SR units.

 

Your co-operation is appreciated wink.gif

 

 

Woah !!!, Only 6 months ? wink.gif . Give Bachmann (and us) a bit of leeway, pleeeze biggrin.gif .

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Ooohhh, 6 months eyy? gives me plenty of time to save up and possibly spend the money on something else!

 

out of interest were these units refurbished? and when were the last units withdrawn? I was wondering if i could justify one on Eastley.

 

Cheers,

 

Will

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Gents, just a polite request please. Whilst the above is fair enough if it leads to an interesting debate, please let's not have six months of 'I'm going to buy a blue one' or (worse still) endless wishlists of other SR units.

 

Your co-operation is appreciated ;)

 

 

Question is, is one on your wish list? wink.gif

 

Seriously though. does anyone know what price these will be as I have to (try to) save up for a VEP too... Going to be an expensive year. Maybe I should put down for some overtime as I'm all out of items to sell now.

 

 

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Just a suggestion for something a little different, I plan to get a blue and grey one but modernise it to NSE standards (I assume the blue/grey release will not have this). The blue/grey EPB's as well as having NSE flashes on the cab ends and sides, had 'Kent Link' logos (as applied to NSE ones) stuck on to a grey painted square. Replica Railways do rub on Kent Link transfers.

 

Will try to find a picture - worth a try though me thinks!

 

EDIT: whilst not a 2EPB, the blue/grey 4EPB shows what i'm getting at:

 

http://www.kentrail.co.uk/Class%20415.htm

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Just a suggestion for something a little different, I plan to get a blue and grey one but modernise it to NSE standards (I assume the blue/grey release will not have this). The blue/grey EPB's as well as having NSE flashes on the cab ends and sides, had 'Kent Link' logos (as applied to NSE ones) stuck on to a grey painted square. Replica Railways do rub on Kent Link transfers.

 

Will try to find a picture - worth a try though me thinks!

 

Like this one?: BR EMU0090 Class 416/3  2-EPB  6328 in Brighton, detail

 

This is how I shall be doing mine. Picture says it is a 416/3, which begs the questions what were there major differences between the sub-classes and which one is Bachmann doing?

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Like this one?: BR EMU0090 Class 416/3  2-EPB  6328 in Brighton, detail

 

This is how I shall be doing mine. Picture says it is a 416/3, which begs the questions what were there major differences between the sub-classes and which one is Bachmann doing?

The picture is of the SR design 2EPB, which is quite different from the BR design one which Bachmann are doing. The SR one has the rounded windows like the Bulleid coaches, whereas the BR one is based on the BR standard suburban coaches. The SR design was 416/1 and the BR design 416/2. Facelifted 416/1 units became 416/3.

 

The SR design units continued to be built right up to 1958, as they were built on underframes from withdrawn 2NOL units.

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Like this one?: http://www.flickr.co...mit/3205583835/

 

This is how I shall be doing mine. Picture says it is a 416/3, which begs the questions what were there major differences between the sub-classes and which one is Bachmann doing?

 

In modern times there were three subclasses, 416/2, 416/3 and 416/4.

 

Your picture of the 416/3 shows the SR design units. In the mid 80's they were used on the North London Line from Richmond to North Woolwich, they were then replaced by 313's. In latter years they were used on the South Central Lines out of Victoria and London Bridge. Of note they were used with VEP's on the East Grinstead service once the line was electrified. They are not the type that Bachmann are to produce.

 

416/2's were used on the Kent Link Services out of Charing Cross and Victoria. The 416/4's were the same but internally refurbished.

 

Hope that's of use!

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Their use in Kent around the early-mid 1980s was mainly strengthening of suburban trains to London into 6-car and 10-car formations, which might make for an expensive train set. It was pretty unusual to see 2x2EPB as a 4-car train. However, they did turn up by themselves on the smaller branches, such as Strood/Maidstone/Paddock Wood at various times. Another excuse to run them singly was their use as parcels units - no conversion or anything, they'd be diagrammed from the same pool as passenger units, and just have piles of mail thrown in.

Seem to recall there were two allocated to the SW division for the Wimbledon-Croydon shuttle (now the tram). Also saw them singly on the London Bridge-Victoria shuttle.

The red stripe innovation kintbury jon mentioned must have been later in their career, certainly not in the all-blue period, nor in the early 80s when they started to go blue-grey.

Don't seem to have many decent photos of them unfortunately, despite seeing them all the time back then.

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Here's 5760 looking clean and freshly painted, leaving London Bridge in 1984. Was headcode 1 the South London line to Victoria?

Blue/grey, unrefurbished, pre-NSE, no red stripe. Black triangle the guard's van end of any 2-car or 3-car SR unit.

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Headcode 1 in that location does indeed mean "South London Line" i.e. London Bridge - Victoria.

 

The red stripe above the "horse box" compartments could be found on the remaining 2- and 4-EPB vehicles and class 302 stock on the GE / LTSR lines. It was introduced after, and in response to, a very small number of serious incidents in those compartments from which the victim had no way to escape their attacker. The use of compartment-only stock was uncommon by the mid-80's when the red line appeared but it was recognised that it was unrealistic to withdraw all the remaining vehicles instantly. Some commuters on the all-stations to Gravesend (and Shoeburyness) services which those units regularly formed were heard to joke that they expected to be able to purchase refreshments ..... the red stripe at that time was more commonly associated with catering vehicles.

 

2x2EPB was never the most common formation but was very far from unknown. It could be seen on the Caterham / Tattenham Corner workings (either one unit to each line or often 2x2EPB to one and a 4EPB to the other), on some stock balancing trips around the SE lines and some peak workings on the Medway Valley which were otherwise just 2EPB. 2x2EPB also appeared out of Waterloo to Windsor and occasionally on other SWD suburban routes and sometimes turned up in the formation of longer distance trains coupled with VEP stock. They also substituted for 4CAP / 4SAP units along the coast on rare occasions, probably being changed over by Selhurst when the Coastway unit was on one of its booked London turns and was unfit to proceed for some reason. 2x2EPB could also of course be seen substituting for almost any 4-car suburban unit anywhere as required.

 

The only restriction I recall on them being formed into trains was that a maximum of 5 could be operated together because 6x2 EPB was slightly longer than a standard 12-car train because of the extra length over the intermediate couplers and might not fit within all platforms or signal sections. When used for mail they were supposed to have loose seat cushions upturned (as was the case with earlier 2BIL / 2HAL units but in later years this was sometimes overlooked.

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The unrefurbished 4EPB's were reformed so that instead of having 1 coach out of 4 that was compartment only, there were sets that had no compartments and a new batch (415/5) that had all the compartment trailers. These were meant to be used only at rush hours. There was no option with the 2EPB's, I remember them most as units added on to make a 10 car rake (with two 4EPB's).

 

I did travel on a Victoria - Orpington service during the day that was formed of 3 2EPB units.

 

My 1990 train book shows that all the 416/2's were allocated to Slade Green, with sector NKSX (Kent Suburban). Of note, they are in blue/grey livery except 6229 in NSE. There were 54 unrefurbished units left.

 

Assuming Bachmann model the DTSso (with compartments for half the carriage) may I suggest that people do not renumber it to 6238 or 6240 as both the driving trailers have been converted to an open saloon!

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Thanks Gwiwer for filling the gaps on the workings. You've just reminded me - were some Windsor side workings from Waterloo 3x2EPB, mostly the Tyneside ones?

 

Back to that red stripe, did the refurbished 64xx series have all the "horsebox" six-a-side compartments removed?

 

Also, what else did the refurbishment consist of? To my recollection, it was adding fluorescent lights, and changing the seat fabric, sometimes to a hellish fluorescent green theme, at least on the SR-pattern 4-EPBs.

Useful shot of unrefurbished interior at http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/class415_6.html

Nice shot and description of one on "paytrain" duty at Pay-train 2-EPB no.6405 at Snodland.

 

I've seen comments in other places that blue/grey EPB = refurbished, but I'm sure that's not the case. Everything eventually went blue/grey, including unrefurbished EPBs.

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I quote from the platform 5 book 'Facelifted units with new trim, fluorescent lighting and PA'. They all have a DTSO seating 92 except for 6401-6409 that are 'Modified for working Maidstone service. Doors fitted between saloon and guards compartment in motor car and between saloon and cab in trailer. ' This was for the Strood-Paddock Wood service. 3 seats were lost in the motor coah and 2 in the trailer. Some of the refurbished units are blue/grey, rest in NSE.

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Hi,

 

They look very good, do we know if it has a power bogie like the 4-CEP or a power coach like the 150?

 

But it looks like the Southeast Steam Railway will be getting another preserved EMU!

 

Simon

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