RMweb Gold Popular Post adb968008 Posted May 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) I didnt see a specific thread on this major event, but I thought I would share a few pictures from this show. I managed all 4 days, covering 1000+km by rail around Trier and 40km by foot over those 4 days. Safely at home ive put a few pictures together to share. Apologies if this is in the wrong place and if people take offence I will delete. 52 8195 approaches the tunnel north of Speicher Saturday 28th April 12.20pm View of the footplate of 52 8154-8 at Schweich DB during the water stop Sunday 29th April 10.29 V200 033 approaches Platform 12N at Trier (whilst 300 odd people are awaiting it's arrival at 11N, 30 seconds after this picture it was every man for himself in a mass panic downstairs to the 12N to grab a window. 52 8154 and 52 8195 run back to Trier shed following their last arrivals Sunday 29th April approx. 20.30pm 01 1075 approaches Karthaus on the 10.08 Trier - Sarbrucken Tuesday 1st May 2018 52-1360-8 approaches Wincheringen at 12.24 on Tuesday 1st May 2018 01 202 storms through Karthaus on the 11.18 Trier - Gerolstein (via Trier West) Tuesday 1st May 2018 01 1075 arrives at Trier at 15.05 from Saarbrucken Tuesday 1st May 2018 01 1075's footplate heading northbound to Wittlich on Saturday 28th April on the delayed 15.09 Postal, with 52 8195 waiting outside Trier for a platform with the 15.45 arrival from Gerolstein, at 15.51pm. Edited May 9, 2021 by adb968008 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Claude_Dreyfus Posted May 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2018 Seeing your various status updates recently, I was rather hoping some pictures would be forthcoming. Sounds like you had a great time; certainly you had a good variety of classic traction. I am sure any further pictures you have would be appreciated on this thread. Thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2018 Our paths probably crossed along the way somewhere - I was there on the Monday and Tuesday, and have just got home! What a splendid event it was. I was just trying to download my pictures, but found the camera needed charging. I'll post some of mine later. You seem to have managed better than me for photography though; it wasn't always easy to ride and also take photographs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted May 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2018 Apologies if this is in the wrong place and if people take offence I will delete. Exactly the right place to post it, very nice and thanks for sharing them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 2, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) This was my first outing for my new camera (existing lenses), so I carried a larger than average back pack with 3 lenses, the old camera, video camera and tripod, which over the event made me a bit more noticable than the average photographer, in width too !I made a big effort to capture as much of this event as I could.My overall trip mileage consisted of:Friday21.25: Luxembourg - Trier (Service train) - Hotel by 11pmSaturday:At station for to film 07.59 double departures to Saarbrucken / Nennig08:45 Trier - Gerolstein BR78, passing 01.150 heading south from Monchengladbach,Returning to Speicher on the regular service to Speicher, to watch the 52 (followed by LE 01.150) heading North,13.15 returning to Trier on the BR78 once again.15.09 (ex-Saarbrucken)- Trier - Wittlich (Postal service) with the BR01 and return with the BR211. The train included an operational TPO which I purchased and self-stamped a special day cover letter back to London, which arrived today. The frank included the Train Number/Route and date.17.20 Wittlich - Trier (Postal) with BR21620.30 Left station following the turning working of the BR78/BR01Highlight of the day: Double departures, and BR78 at full pelt up to Gerolstein, steam passing steam on the mainline 3x on 1 journey (Late running arrival from Gerolstein, 5519 preparing for the Lux service and down Wittlich all passed the BR01 on the postal run !) Sunday:At station to film 06.40/06.44 departures to Gerolstein and Wittlich07.59 Trier - Nennig (Paralell running with the BR03 to Saarbrucken as far as Karthaus),09.15 return to Trier10.15 Trier - Bullay (Only 1 train a day did this run), then on the civvy to Koblenz.13.41 Koblenz - Wittlich on the TEE / BR103 / Rheingold set and onwards to Trier again on the Civvy service15.50 to catch the V200 to Merzig (This was the fastest run of the weekend - no messing !!!!)- 12 late departing, 3 early at Merzig. A rather confused barman by the station was inundated by 50-100 foreigners from all over the place descending for a Bitburg beer on what must be a normally very quiet sunday afternoon... 2 Euro a glass was very reasonable.17.55 Merzig - Trier V20020.30 Left station following the turning working of the 2x BR52's doubleheadedHighlight of the day: V200 running late and making up time !, views of the Mosul valley to Koblenz is something to be seen.Monday(This was the quietest day with only 14 scheduled arrivals/departures at Trier)Arrived 07.45 to film the 08.09 to Brohl with the BR113/TEE/Rheingold set.08.50 Trier - Saarbrucken with the BR0311.36 Saarbrucken to Trier. (I actually cheated realizing the train was looped after Merzig, I jumped the train at Merzig, went civvy to Saarburg passing it, and photographed it arriving before reboarding).14.50 "SLS-Style railtour" from Trier to Konz, reverse to Igel (Luxembourg curve), Reverse through Trier West, and the Ehrang freight yard upto Schweich.At Schweich this again reversed through the other side of Ehrang freight yard, through Trier West and another curve to Wellen, and reverse once again to Trier.This was with the BR78 and BR211.20.18 Left station following the return of the BR103 from Brohl and departure of the E10 departure to Stuttgart.Highlight of the day: BR78 again - it's a noisy one, interesting route mileage on this tour.Tuesday07.59 to Saarbrucken as far as Merzig. (Parralell running to Karthaus)Took a service train to Karthaus and spent a good 90 minutes here to watch the late running TEE/BR103, BR52 (in and out bound), CFL 5519, 2x BR01s pass through.I originally wanted to take 01.202 to Speiche but as 5519 was late I missed the connection and filmed it instead (which was one of my favourite videos of the event)Took the train to Wincheringen and12.24 Wincheringen returned with the BR52 to Karthaus.Took a service train to Konz, and returned to Trier with the BR03.18.17 with 5519 to Luxembourg 2018 and hence to the airport (I had minutes spare to make the 2125 flight home)23.00 - home in London, feet killing me !Highlight of the day: 01.202 flying through Karthaus, only a 30 mins or so before 01.1075 didI got 1000+ photographs / videos to work through, promise I wont post them all !Had conversations with people from all over the world at this event, beside Germans, English was the next largest group, but met with enthusiasts from Sweden, Holland, Denmark, USA, Japan, Argentina, Spain and France.Pictures & some video to follow tomorrow. Edited May 3, 2018 by adb968008 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2018 I haven't seen a Kriegslok in more than 50 years (Graz 1967). Thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Excellent description of your trip and photos, in just the right place. Many thanks indeed for sharing. Please, feel free to add more! Tschuss, John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) This type of event would be a massive success here in the UK. Where, does anyone think, be the best location where it would not impact too much on scheduled services? Hellifield would be my choice. Edited May 3, 2018 by Joseph_Pestell 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2018 One of the main points with German Plandampf events is that the steam hauled trains actually replace the scheduled services. Indeed, it is quite amusing to see bemused locals trying to squeeze into old carriages without air-conditioning that are full of railway enthusiasts. The main problem with finding suitable UK locations for such an event would be the lack of run-round facilities and concerns over trespass, neither of which seem to apply in Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 3, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) I'm uploading a bunch of videos, but its going to take a while, but here's a few more. I'll edit the above pictures to put time/date locations to the pictures like below: 07.59 Simultaneous departures for Nennig (left) and Saarbrucken (right) on Saturday 28th at Trier 78 468 runs around it's train after taking water at Gerolstein on Saturday 28th 11am approx. 78 468 arrives at Speicher with the 12.25 ex Gerolstein to Trier on Saturday 28th 12.20pm 52 1360-8 14.14 departure to Wittlich on Saturday 28th 14.14pm 103-113-7 TEE/Rheingold at Koblenz heading to Wittlich Sunday 13.41 departure 03 1010 after arriving at Saarbrucken Monday 30th April 10.20am 52 1360 departs Karthaus for Trier Monday 30th April @12.57 Edited May 9, 2021 by adb968008 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redkiterail Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I have my pictures to upload to flickr and I will add the better ones here my first event and I will go again if it happens again 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2018 One of the main points with German Plandampf events is that the steam hauled trains actually replace the scheduled services. Indeed, it is quite amusing to see bemused locals trying to squeeze into old carriages without air-conditioning that are full of railway enthusiasts. The main problem with finding suitable UK locations for such an event would be the lack of run-round facilities and concerns over trespass, neither of which seem to apply in Germany. In this case, and the last few I've been to, the steam trains don't actually replace the scheduled services any longer but run as additional services. Hence they are marketed as "Dampfspektakel" rather than "Plandampf". Presumably due to the inability of steam to keep to modern schedules and lack of suitable DB coaching stock these days as most service trains are now worked by modern multiple units; also this must obviate the inevitable complaints from passengers inconvenienced by situation you describe. In the past, I have seen 'normal' passengers unable to board their intended trains due to overcrowding, not to mention the steep steps to climb from ground level platforms. This time in fact, normal tickets were not valid on the steam trains and you had to buy special single, day, or 'event' tickets in order to travel. I think this probably helped reduce the gross overcrowding which I've seen at previous events, whilst presumably ensuring suitable revenue went to the operators rather than being spread around public transport in general, as happens with "Lander" tickets for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glo41f Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Pardon my ignorance but are you able to clarify who owns the various locos used at these events? Presumably there are stringent rules in place or perhaps not as H&S seems to be treated more realistically in Europe. (Perhaps the lack of no win no fee lawyers there helps!). Any background info greatly appreciated, Lovely pictures too of a lovely area in Germany. Thank you. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 3, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) The locos are owned by different groups. 01 1075 came from SSN in Holland 01 202 is managed by a group in Switzerland 03 1010 is from a group in Halle Etc. It’s a complex set up of groups providing locos, stock and crews, with DB pilot men. I don’t think it’s too different than in the UK, though DB plays a much greater role including ticket sales /guards/timetabling etc also, as well as depot access for servicing. Edited May 3, 2018 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2018 Ausgezeichnet! Many thanks, that was some marathon by the look of it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 3, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) Here's a link to a bunch of videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPcMzKzoGV0 V200 departing Trier Sunday April 29th 1559, 9 late. This train was booked on 11N but arrived on 12N, causing a migration to the other platform, this caught the guard by surprise who initially didn't want to let anyone on, but seeing she had little choice as so many arrived, held the train and it was replatformed as it stood. A storming run, arrived early in Merzig. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p5BjKdU6tQ 01 202 flying through Ehrang https://youtu.be/RZsRtjkbpTA Double departures 07.59 Saturday April 28th 2018 There's a dozen or so videos uploaded here.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6gOMT6KK9QPEEx8cod6OEQ Edited May 3, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Presumably there are stringent rules in place or perhaps not as H&S seems to be treated more realistically in Europe. (Perhaps the lack of no win no fee lawyers there helps!). Any background info greatly appreciated, Martin I believe that a combination of the local tourist authority and the local transport operator paid about 1/2million euros to hire in all the locos and stock, in return they certainly brought over 400 Brits (at a guess, the 'Railtrail' party alone was 150 strong I was told) plus hundreds of other nationalities who otherwise wouldn't have been to Trier, the riding fare was relatively expensive for the continent - peanuts compared with what it would have been in the UK, and this really helped bring the numbers riding down to manageable levels. The payback to the local economy in terms of hotels, restaurants, bars and cafes must have been significantly positive The actual event was a lot less ambitious than the last in 2010 - a lot less railbus supporting events, no depot night shoot at Gerolstein (turntable not big enough for the pacifics? ) and no steam through to Koblenz due to a new tunnel. I've got to believe that the trains really should have been 6-8 coaches not 4 without slowing them down too much to fit into a normal timetable, the Luxembourg set was only a 3 coach set and seemed the most full, with the exception of the 103/TEE to Brohl on the Monday which was full because of a dearth of other activities. The loco's all have the full mainline certificates, 01 202 (Swiss) and 01 1075 (Dutch) both have current German signalling equipment fitted. I was rather disappointed that there were only 3 pacifics, but I suspect that's partly because there have been a number of mainline loco failures or locos gone out of ticket in Western Germany and those based in the East were probably heading for the May day events at Wolstein. As for H&S there was a significant injury on the Saturday when someone either fell off the platform and under an 01, or was dragged off the platform having been hit (my German isn't good enough to tell which) but by the time we had come back from Saarbruken it had been resolved and seemed to only impact one steam train that became diesel hauled later in the day. Needless to say this resulted in the staff and police being very vocal if you went near the edge to take a photo. I seem to recall the last Trier event in 2010 there was a fatality amongst one of the loco crews? It was really good, for those that haven't gone to one of these events you have missed out. Jon . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2018 My participation this time was a lot less ambitious than adb968008's, having travelled to Trier from Belgium on the Sunday I was only there for the Monday and Tuesday of the Dampfspektakel. Consequently I wanted to travel as much as I could, and most of my photography was on or from station platforms. Trier Hauptbahnhof isn't that big as continental stations go, with a main platform (with short bays at either end) and a single island platform. The island platform sports a typical post-War DB style canopy (think Faller kits!) Engines could often be seen between turns in the through roads beyond the island platform, although in the morning this meant shooting into the sun which was less than ideal. Here is 01 202, the Pacific from Switzerland: and the 01 from Holland, 01 1075. This picture shows the scissors crossover, which was used to effect loco changes on sets of stock which worked though, and also shows some typical signalling equipment etc. This was the only time I saw the Class 03 Pacific, 03 1010 which was in the through roads coupled to 52 8195: One of the first things we saw on arrival on Sunday was 52 1360 arriving tender first: On the Monday there was relatively little steam activity, and we took the morning "Round Trier" trip which as adb968008 has mentioned, took in various freight curves and the Trier West freight avoiding line. Due to the frequent reversals, it was 'top and tailed' with 78 468, the ex Prussian T8 4-6-4T, and V100 B-B diesel 211 041-9, the train being made up of six wheelers. I wasn't able to photograph the V100 on our train, but there were other diesels involved. V60 (now classes 362-364) 0-6-0 DH number V60 447 was busy working empty trains between the depot / sidings and the station. As far as I could tell this is still owned by DB (according to the 2013 Platform 5 book) and as such seemed to have been painted in a 'retro' livery. Another V100, V100 2091 seemed to be on stand by duty, being in a short siding off the platform end whenever I saw it. Occasionally they could both be seen together: On the Monday afternoon, we took the Saarbrucken train behind 01 1075 as far as Merzig, where 01 202 was passed. At Merzig there was a brew pub near the river which appeared to be an industrial unit, but was better inside than out and passed a couple of hours with some beers and white sausages, before 01 1075 came back. Really, I pressed the shutter too soon, but was keen to get on the train as well as photographing it! On the way back to Trier, the train was 'looped' at Serrig to allow the following EMU to overtake, which gave a chance for a look at the engine. I hope these pictures are of interest; I'll put some more up later if I get a chance. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2018 Here are a few more, these being from my activities on the Tuesday. We were at the station (relatively) early for the 0845 to Gerolstein, which we took as far as Bitburg Erdorf, behind 78 468. Again, the platform canopy made photography interesting. The run up the Kyll valley is very scenic, the single track line twisting and turning following and frequently crossing the river, and the 78 put in a spirited performance. The route continues via Gerolstein and Euskirchen to Koln, but we alighted at Bitburg Erdorf, which was the last station in the "Trier" zone of the event day ticket and also convenient to wait for the next train back down the valley. The station is more "Erdorf" than "Bitburg"; Bitburg itself being on a branch line which may or may not be still open for freight. If I'd realised that 78 468 was going to wait there to pass a southbound DMU, I'd've crossed the level crossing for a better vantage point. Of course by the time she was ready to leave more spectators had turned up. Some cropping removed them and most of the modern street furniture, but the picture was better than I expected, in both versions. From there, 52 8195 took us back down to Trier. Don't try this at home, folks! Arrived at Trier, 52 8195 came off the coaches and 01 202 backed down onto them over the scissors. After little while, the same set was returning to Gerolstein, this time behind the Pacific but still travelling in the same direction as this train went via the Trier West line. However we then took the regular EMU along the Mosel Valley to Bullay, where we arrived in time to find 52 8154 backing onto its coaches. A chance to look at some of the coaches used, which seemed to have come from museums and heritage lines all over Germany and beyond. Then off from Bullay to Nennig, passing through Trier en route and then following another scenic valley (the Saar) on the line which passes into France and eventually reaches Thionville. On the other side of the river is Luxembourg. Arrived at Nennig, 52 8154 once again took us back to Trier and that was it for me! As a footnote however, arriving at the Hauptbahnhof for the train to take us home via Luxembourg and Brussels, we were just in time to see a long train of the heritage coaches also making their way home, headed by one of the V100s and one of the Class 52s. Expecting an EMU from Luxembourg to Brussels, a pleasant surprise was to find that the Brussels train was made up of 5 SNCB International coaches, headed by 1359 and including a second class with side corridor! And that was it until the next time, all in all a splendid weekend and a great credit to everyone involved in putting on such a fantastic event! 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted May 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) Excellent set of photos Thanks to all who posted for sharing them. Keith Edited May 3, 2018 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 The locos are owned by different groups. 01 1075 came from SSN in Holland 01 202 is managed by a group in Switzerland 03 1010 is from a group in Halle Etc. It’s a complex set up of groups providing locos, stock and crews, with DB pilot men. . I wonder whether DLM's Super Kriegslok 52.8055 is currently in service....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2018 Those Pacifcs are something else; real beasts IMO and in such good condition, externally unlike the Polish locos I saw in the mid 90s.. Phil Wolsztyn May Day is worth finding on Utube, for fun. Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glo41f Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Thank you for the lovely pictures and for the information. The locos are very impressive and beautifully weathered which is something our continental cousins seem reluctant to do! I really love the size of these mighty machines and would happily model the Germany system given different circumstances. (This comes from an early introduction to Marklin models in the 1950s which seemed so much better than my triang plastic models. The annual catalogue from Taylor & McKenna of Harlesden was required reading thenceforth. I dreamed of those wonderful locos and the layout I would ,make time and money being no object! It seems odd to me that Marklin have still continued with the stud contact system all these years but I guess it works for them! I hope to see some steam when I go to visit daughter who lives in south Germany in the summer. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) Had a very nice time in Trier, went Friday and back Wednesday via Eurostar and Liege to Luxembourg as you can do this loco hauled. Bit miffed to get the same loco back 6 days later that promptly failed 10km out of Liege. Turfed everyone off then driver fixed problem and we all saw it go off empty stock! We eventually got to Brussels with 25 minutes to get the Eurostar home. Didn't do too bad as we were getting on it in 10 minutes of arriving from Liege, didn't know I could run so fast under those subways. Liege to Luxembourg train Luckily one steamy got there too late for the crew to work in the morning the next day so it's morning runs were covered with 211.041. Smoke! Monster. Nice background at Volklingen but loads of people having the same idea. Because of the incident with 01.202 the 220 went to Gerolstein instead of just going to Merzig all the time so that was a bonus. Not often you get a 218 and a 220 pass on the Gerolstein line! More smoke. This 78 looked nice as I don't think it's been cleaned in the last year. 103 at speed. E10 in Rheingold livery looked nice. Even more steam Went with the 103 to the Brohltol Bahn but it was survival of the fittest when we arrived to get a seat on the narrow gauge train. This Mallet rarely goes all the way to the end of the line and we had to stop for a blow up despite having a diesel banking all the way up. Simultaneous departure was interesting. Steamy at Nennig. This CFL loco should be named "Passion Wagon" as there is a lot of for and aft motion when it accelerates. Best loco there though was the 220. Here we are all turfed off at a place called Mery but we were all far from that! Edited May 4, 2018 by brian daniels 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redkiterail Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 So as promised got all my pictures uploaded to my flick account below are some of my highlight/ better photographs of the event First day of the event I went down to catch one of the first departures so here are some pictures of Trier HBF station One of the class 52 locomotive was not ready for service so my train was powered by a class 211 diesel shunter After the incident that occured the planed moves were changed so I travelled behind one of the class 52 locomotives up to Bitburg Second day Class 52 to Nennig then back to Trier, then a trip to Luxembourg on the CFL steam locomotive and back finishing with the class v200 run to Saarburg and taking a rb emu to Trier and catching the Steam Locomotive to Schweich and get the E10 Locomotive back to Trier Third day a trip on Class 103 Eletric to Brhotl and change onto the Brhotlbhan Fourth day was a catch up day and final day of the steam festival I missed out on the postal wagon and one of the steam locomotives due to a service train not running from Gerostien had a extra run behind the v200 and e10 Last two pictures of my trip home train all the way to London: flickr album links https://www.flickr.com/photos/redkiterail/sets/72157694757227641 https://www.flickr.com/photos/redkiterail/sets/72157693365568522 https://www.flickr.com/photos/redkiterail/sets/72157694776459431 https://www.flickr.com/photos/redkiterail/sets/72157666734875617 https://www.flickr.com/photos/redkiterail/sets/72157695970630694 https://www.flickr.com/photos/redkiterail/sets/72157696004838844 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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