The Nutley, Crowborough and Groombridge Light Railway - Fictional Narrow Gauge in East Sussex

[BlueLightning]

I think I may have a 'handle' on that 'deliberate mistake'

 

So, Lord Belborough of Chigley Hall found a buyer for one of his locos then!

 

"Time flys by when I'm the driver of a train..."

 

I do like that shade of Blue....nice looking loco...

 

Sarah,

 

I think you may well have a 'handle' on it!!! And yes indeed he did! I was wondering how long it would take someone to notice the name!!

 

The blue is Humbrol 25, and I am very happy it!

 

 

Gary,

I like it.  Also it is smaller, oe appears smaller than 'Prince' which is good as railways tend to buy bigger as time goes on rather than smaller.

 

Chris,

 

Indeed Nutley is smaller than 'Prince' but the size is close enough for them to still look in scale with each other, something I was worried about with my method of making 'Prince' but more of that in the nearish future!!

 

Gary

[Northroader]

 Wasn't there a Mexican loco trialled on the LB&SCR? Was that a Mallet or a Fairlie??

Cheers

Ian

I thought it was just a plain 0-4-0?

 

[Caley Jim]

I do like that shade of Blue....

Of course you do!! It's the only proper colour for a passenger loco!!  

 

Jim

[Ruffnut Thorston]

Rather like this loco?

 

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by Sarahagain

[Caley Jim]

Rather like this loco?

 

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Of course!!  

 

Jim

[sem34090]

Another one on the CAD list...

 

Sigh...

[Northroader]

And blue coaches, too:

[Metropolitan H]

Chaps,

 

I have been diligently seeking further information on the system of articulation that involves multiple driving rods capabl;e of taking the drive across varying axle centres resulting from steering axles.

 

The particular system is the "Klose articulation" which was mainly used on narrow gauge lines - with corners - in Saxony and other Central / Eastern European states during the late C19th / early C20th,

 

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/klose/klosetothe.htm gives a good introduction.

 

Regards

Chris H

[Northroader]

My source gives Klose as Heinrich Klose, a Swiss engineer who ended up running KWB. The Klose system was applied first in Bosnia- Hercegovina, the Austrians took over the territory from the Turks in 1878, and started to develop the railways, an existing standard gauge line, and new narrow gauge lines, gauge 760mm. Referred to originally as Kuk Bosnabahn, then kkBB, then as BHLB, after WW1 the area finally emerged as part of Yugoslavia. The lines were quite lengthy, steeply graded, and poor alignment and track to start with, so locos were needed to be flexible. First off a photo of a loco with the Klose system, referred to as being modified, but don’t ask what that involved!

Next a photo of the complete loco, JZ class 189. It’s an 0-6-2T, having the rear part of the cab and bunker articulated in a stutztender like an Engerth. The cylinders are inside, but with outside Stephenson’s driving slide valves tucked behind the circular housing:

Lastly another class, JZ 185. This is an 0-6-4T with a larger stutztender, and has a similar valve gear, for two inside compound cylinders. This is another type originally fitted as Klose engines, as the track improved all of this class and some 189 class were rebuilt with conventional coupling rods, and presumably the axle play limited.

The main work on this network was taken over by the class 83 0-8-2 tender engines, also 2cylinder compounds, 187 being built, and these are fairly familiar in folks holiday snaps.

[sir douglas]

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/klose/klosetothe.htm

[Lu4472ke]

Of course you do!! It's the only proper colour for a passenger loco!!  

 

 

 

You mean a really useful engine...

[BlueLightning]

Hi everyone!!

 

I've been spending money again!!!

 

The NC&GLR now has a maintenance loco! I need to come up with a full backstory for this one still, but it was cheap on Shapeways (body) and Amazon (chassis) and I quite liked it.

 

So here we have the maintenance loco, a vertical boiler loco that must have been acquired by the NC&GLR second hand from somewhere:

 

Thanks for looking, hope you enjoyed,

 

Gary

[BlueLightning]

Well modelling time is currently concentrating on Remembrance meaning that nothing is happening here.

 

I did however spot a bargain on eBay the other day that I just couldn't pass up. So the next loco to appear on the NC&GLR will be........................

 

 

A double Fairlie, that again would be a very unlikely loco for the line, but it was buy it now for £25!!!! I couldn't let it sit on eBay for that price.

 

So any ideas on a credible backstory for this ending up in Sussex??

 

Thanks for looking, hope you enjoyed,

 

Gary

[Nearholmer]

Crikey Gary, even my powers of making up tall stories are taxed by that one. Have you thought of asking the press-offices of the presidents of a couple of well-known countries that I can think of for help? They seem very good at barely plausible fiction.

 

Kevin

Edited September 28, 2018 by Nearholmer

[BlueLightning]

Kevin,

 

That's what I thought, but for £25 I wasn't worried about it being a "proper" loco of the line! It certainly doesn't fit into any plans that I had!!

 

Gary

[ChrisN]

Gary,

Given that the Fairlies were invented so that more power could be used without making massive engines and as your loading gauge is fairly restricted and you have hilly terrain to go over is seems an obvious choice.  Fairlies were sold worldwide.

 

Never fancied one myself although I do like them at 12"/ft scale.

[BlueLightning]

Thanks Chris,

 

That's a good point. Although the Festiniog ones would have been quite old by the time the NC&GLR opened, would a similar design still have been being made?

 

Gary

[ChrisN]

Thanks Chris,

 

That's a good point. Although the Festiniog ones would have been quite old by the time the NC&GLR opened, would a similar design still have been being made?

 

Gary

 

Gary,

The last one for the Ffestiniog was built in 1886 until new ones were built in the late 20th century.  The design still works so I do not see why they could not have built more to the same pattern.

[BlueLightning]

Thanks Chris,

 

That gives me something to work with for a backstory. Maybe I can justify it.

 

Gary

[Edwardian]

And blue coaches, too:

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Midland Great Western?

 

I sometimes dream of Edwardian elegance in the form of a graceful blue 4-4-0 with a rake of blue and cream coaches on a Mail.

[Northroader]

Correct, but it didn’t do them any good, blue paint has problems with weathering, and I expect the old pigments they had then were worse than what came out of the chemical works for BR blue, and we all know what that got to look like. So, the MGWR blue livery only lasted a year or two, then back to the old scheme. Still, it does look very nice on a model.

P.s. if you want to mix that colour, it’s 50 /50 Humbrol Midnight Blue and French Blue (nicer than that Caledonian stuff)

Edited September 28, 2018 by Northroader

[Andy Hayter]

Prussian Blue - allegedly the first chemical pigment - is recorded as being signifcantly more light stable than other "natural" pigments.

 

Invented in 1706 and commercialised in 1709 it would have been the pigment of choice for earlier railways I would suggest.

 

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Edited September 28, 2018 by Andy Hayter

[Nearholmer]

Hmmmm ....... I've never really liked blue as a colour for trains, cars, bikes etc, except 'sky' blue, and I think maybe its because it isn't natural, and therefore doesn't harmonise with its surroundings very easily. Dark reds, greens, yellows (think this time of year), creams, browns, some greys, and 'sky' blue do harmonise.

 

Think GWR trains(wash my mouth out), or, possibly best of all, Southdown bus livery, and how well they look in their environments.

 

Which might be a long way of pleading that the NC&G should paint itself a nice autumnal shade, perhaps picking-up on the greenish-yellow of the Tunbridge Wells Beds (of sandstone), or the fresh greens of spring (but, not the bluebells that abound in the woods thereabouts).

[BlueLightning]

Well I'm certainly open to the idea of a different livery. I got the blue I am using to paint a dark sky on Brighthelmstone, it was never designed to be a railway livery, and just happened as the pot was there.

 

If anyone has suggestions, post them below, colour swatches and Humbrol references would be very much appreciated if possible.

 

Gary

 

PS. and yes I know what you mean about Southdown Bus livery

[Edwardian]

Hmmmm ....... I've never really liked blue as a colour for trains, cars, bikes etc, except 'sky' blue, and I think maybe its because it isn't natural, and therefore doesn't harmonise with its surroundings very easily. Dark reds, greens, yellows (think this time of year), creams, browns, some greys, and 'sky' blue do harmonise.

 

 

 

Like a Hobbit.