rembrow Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) Just received a special e-mail from Kernow, advising a newly tooled commission in partnership with Revolution, for 'oo'gauge - IZA Cargowagon Twin Van sets. These are 4 wheel vans permanently coupled in pairs.The pre order price is £89.99 for a pair and there are 4 versions of the original build from 1986 and 4 versions in the revised livery from 1998. Each 4 options can be bought in a multi pack for £339.99. There are a further 2 versions, one per livery, with tail lamps. Edited June 2, 2018 by rembrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted June 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) Full information here. http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/pg/162/IZA-Cargowaggon Edited June 2, 2018 by Kris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Excellent news from Kernow, this will be a superb wagon given the quality of work from Ben and Mike and I’ve certainly nagged them to do it in OO. The 4 pack offers good value so will be getting one ordered when funds allow. Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Whilst these are normally thought of as working in block trains, Hexham, in the1980s, used to see a couple of pairs working from Austria with chipboard for Egger. They'd be mixed in with resin tanks and OTAs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 This is great news. These wagons have always appeared on my wishlist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Waited for a set of these for a long time but sadly at that price I will probably have to pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Oh baby! For once I can join in the I want one* froth fest for a new product Bagged China Clay in the C21st is ideal traffic! They may not be actually giving them, away but its a fair price for what I assume will be a top quality product, and we do have something like 70 weeks notice to save a few pence up *or more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigshot Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Hi Guy That's great news will be buying a pack once I've saved some cash Thanks Alan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Whilst these are normally thought of as working in block trains, Hexham, in the1980s, used to see a couple of pairs working from Austria with chipboard for Egger. They'd be mixed in with resin tanks and OTAs. Was this the same traffic as Pensnett ? ISTR chipboard going down to Pensnett a few decades ago !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teacupteacup Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Great news, more modern wagons are needed. Single van version next? A few differences but certainly do-able. I'll still be building my kit buy may order a couple from Kernow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Was this the same traffic as Pensnett ? ISTR chipboard going down to Pensnett a few decades ago !!! I don't think so; I believe it was inter-works traffic in semi-finished board, brought to Hexham to be finished. I think the Pensnett traffic was finished board. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted June 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 4, 2018 Hello everyone Firstly, congratulations to Kernow on this announcement! In the results of The Wishlist Poll 2016 (the most recent results), the IZA Cargowaggon was the second most-wanted 'post steam era' freight vehicle (behind the 1976/1981 KFA MoD Warflat). It was was Middle Polling. Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Waited for a set of these for a long time but sadly at that price I will probably have to pass. Yes, its a shame they are so pricey - think KMRC are looking at as they are two wagons, so selling them at the price of 2 wagons. Plus with selling Turbots at £29.99 with less detail, probably think they can get away with charging more for a premium product. Whilst "OO" is always a little more expensive than "N" Gauge, Revolutions "N" Gauge are very reasonably priced, and you can compare the difference in price between the N Gauge TEA and the OO Gauge one. I too would have had a few, but like you say, not at that price - plus I am lucky enough to have a fleet of Roco ones, so will manage with just those. They are HO, but because they are to a large loading gauge, pass for "OO", but just don't have the anchor logo on the side. Regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) Yes, its a shame they are so pricey - think KMRC are looking at as they are two wagons, so selling them at the price of 2 wagons. To be fair, as far as manufacturing goes they are effectively two separate wagons. Edited July 11, 2018 by YesTor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 To be fair, as far as manufacturing goes they are effectively two separate wagons. ....well to be fair, if you look at past models you can make your own mind up, about my philosophy..... Looking at past and present sources: N gauge TEA £26.00, OO gauge TEA £37.00 N gauge IZA £36.00, OO gauge £99.99, or £89.99 if you pay now. Don't think I need to say any more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted July 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2018 ....well to be fair, if you look at past models you can make your own mind up, about my philosophy..... Looking at past and present sources: N gauge TEA £26.00, OO gauge TEA £37.00 N gauge IZA £36.00, OO gauge £99.99, or £89.99 if you pay now. Don't think I need to say any more! Hi Difference is that the TEA and N Gauge IZA have both been sold direct by RT so no dealer overheads. OO IZA sold by Kernow who will need to make a profit. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted July 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) Looking at past and present sources: N gauge TEA £26.00, OO gauge TEA £37.00 N gauge IZA £36.00, OO gauge £99.99, or £89.99 if you pay now. Hi there, You are quoting crowdfunding prices, which are only available to those who step up with early orders to get the model tooled and into production. These prices are, as Paul said, in effect a trade price. Latecomers have paid more with all Revolution projects, as yes, retailers stock them but they add (reasonably enough) their margin. In the case of the models you quoted, the 00 TEA tanker, which is still in production in China, seems to be retailing at about £45. So the Cargowaggon twins are comparable. cheers Ben A. Edited July 13, 2018 by Ben A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Yes, its a shame they are so pricey - think KMRC are looking at as they are two wagons, so selling them at the price of 2 wagons. Plus with selling Turbots at £29.99 with less detail, probably think they can get away with charging more for a premium product. Whilst "OO" is always a little more expensive than "N" Gauge, Revolutions "N" Gauge are very reasonably priced, and you can compare the difference in price between the N Gauge TEA and the OO Gauge one. I too would have had a few, but like you say, not at that price - plus I am lucky enough to have a fleet of Roco ones, so will manage with just those. They are HO, but because they are to a large loading gauge, pass for "OO", but just don't have the anchor logo on the side. Regards, C. It is two wagons. But £45 each for a slab sided wagon with hardly any need for detail? I don’t mean anyone any ill intention - I hope they fly off the shelves and Kernow make a whacking profit because the hobby needs that. But I absolutely cannot justify that sort of price. Others can and will and I hope there are enough of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted July 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 It is two wagons. But £45 each for a slab sided wagon with hardly any need for detail? I don’t mean anyone any ill intention - I hope they fly off the shelves and Kernow make a whacking profit because the hobby needs that. But I absolutely cannot justify that sort of price. Others can and will and I hope there are enough of them. I suggest you have a look at the prototype. They are hardly slab sided and lacking in detail. Roy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) But £45 each for a slab sided wagon with hardly any need for detail? If there really is that little to them then why not simply make your own? An oblong-shaped box, a couple of axles? Cheap as chips. Job done? Edited July 18, 2018 by YesTor 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc2016 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I have been trying to find out what kind of traffic these wagons would do in Cornwall and images of them but all i can seem to find is the bogie version of the Cargowagon. If anyone could help tell me where i can find images and information i would appreciate there help. Thanks, Samuel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 238029290463 at Ely Potter Group showing off a replacement door 10th August 2001. The door was the result of a 'sideswipe' at St Blazey. I dealt with damage claims on PO wagons and had to settle this one. The door cost EWS over £8K, the job was completed by Wabtec who used an 'aluminium fabricator'. They made an excellent job. I will look through my archives and see what I can find out regarding Cornish traffic. I have a couple of industry colleagues who worked down at St Blazey, who might be able to pin down the traffic. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2018 238029290463 at Ely Potter Group showing off a replacement door 10th August 2001. The door was the result of a 'sideswipe' at St Blazey. I dealt with damage claims on PO wagons and had to settle this one. The door cost EWS over £8K, the job was completed by Wabtec who used an 'aluminium fabricator'. They made an excellent job. I will look through my archives and see what I can find out regarding Cornish traffic. I have a couple of industry colleagues who worked down at St Blazey, who might be able to pin down the traffic. 238029290463.jpg £8k for a door !!! and people are complaining about £90 for a wagon ! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 £8k for a door !!! and people are complaining about £90 for a wagon ! I think they lost money on the door. £8000 might sound like a lot of money, but consider what is involved. Purchase of the material (not likely to be sitting on the shelf), working out the sequence on construction (all welded, which involves planning to avoid distortion due to heat), support for the construction during assembly, the amount of welding, fabricating door fittings where they were not recoverable from the damaged door. Fitting door to wagon. Setting up door opening mechanism. Supply and fitting of decals, etc etc etc. So much for a slab sided wagon...... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Looking through my notes - 1998 International Traffic Pool 0184 Hfirrs 3 International - not sure of traffic Pool 0177 Hfirrs 3 and 4 - Evian Domestic Traffic Pool 0183 18 x Habfis2 80 tonne bogie vans - EWS Pool 0195 29 x EVS Pool 0189 3 Habfis 1 - ECC Pool 0101 20 Hfirrs 3 - EWS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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