Rapido LB&SCR Class E1 0-6-0T

[sem34090]

I thought I would make this announcement easier to find, as a lot of people seem to have not worked it out yet.

 

 

It transpired today that Model Rail, in cooperation with Rapido Trains, is to be producing the LBSCR Class E1 0-6-0T, with the following models to be made available:
 

MR-401  97 - LBSCR Stroudley Improved Engine Green

MR-402  127 - LBSCR Stroudley Goods Green

MR-403  B96 - Marsh umber but with 'B' prefix as applied by SR

MR-404  2142 - SR black (pre-War) 

MR-405  2606 - SR black, 'sunshine' lettering

MR-406  32151 - BR lined black, no emblem

MR-407  32113 - BR plain black, early emblem

MR-408  32689 - BR plain black, early emblem (weathered) 

MR-409  W2 - SR (IoW) lined green

MR-410  W4 - BR (IoW) black, early emblem

 

I will post more details when I can!

Edited December 17, 2021 by AY Mod
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[Legend]

Interesting . Haven’t we got a lot of Southernish tanks appearing at moment ? I’m thinking Hattons little 0-6-0 , is it a P, aren’t Dapol doing a Terrier? I admit I don’t know what an E1 is , but they all look pretty similar to me . Is there really a demand for all these 0-6-0 tanks ?

[bike2steam]

And for good measure you can always rebuild one to an E1R. Well the E1 was sometimes referred to as a 'stretched Terrier' by Brighton crews.

[Anglian]

Fantastic news.

[Big James]

Awesome news. With the recent USA tank to such a high standard it’s hard not to be excited. I’ll definitely be getting both early crest versions. With the small SR tanks being limited to such small numbers within classes it’s easy to justify multiple of different classes on a layout.

 

Big James

[Andy Hayter]

Oh my poor, poor wallet.

 

I could not find anything on the MR website though.

[Trains4U]

Is this the announcement they are supposed to be making in a few days time?  Is this not embargoed?

[Steamport Southport]

Oh my poor, poor wallet.

 

I could not find anything on the MR website though.

 

It's not "officially" announced yet. It was leaked early both online and with people getting their magazines early.

 

It's alright to discuss as Chris has commented in the other thread.

 

 

Jason

[Steamport Southport]

Is this the announcement they are supposed to be making in a few days time?  Is this not embargoed?

 

Yes, and not any more.

 

There is also a BR 16XX 0-6-0PT.

 

 

Jason

[sem34090]

I only came across it because a certain man named James (Edwardian) hinted at it then revealed it having got a copy of the magazine.

 

Was wondering why there hadn't been the usual full release works from Andy.

 

Mind you, technically MR is this sites competitor...

[gc4946]

I might be tempted by version MR-405, number 2606 (date and month of my birthday) as it suits some of my late 1940s era rolling stock.

[Oldddudders]

Awesome news. With the recent USA tank to such a high standard it’s hard not to be excited. I’ll definitely be getting both early crest versions. With the small SR tanks being limited to such small numbers within classes it’s easy to justify multiple of different classes on a layout.

Big James

E1 was not a small class, with 80 examples! The Brighton had been full of ones and twos in J C Craven’s time, as he seemed to like tinkering, but Stroudley was strong on standardisation. The E1 was a success - but train weights began to increase and so Stroudley’s successor, Robert Billinton, created his various classes of radial tanks which were more puissant and led to E1s being laid off earlier than their sound design might suggest. Edited June 5, 2018 by Oldddudders

[JSpencer]

It will be interesting to see what detailed variants come out.

 

Early in their lives, they seem to have had condensers. I wonder if the IOW did any special modifications like they did for the O2?

 

The BR weathered version looks interesting and I am keen to have a first taste of how Rapido weathers locos.

 

I expect we will have more details of each variant first before deciding which to express an interest in.

Edited June 5, 2018 by JSpencer

[GeoffBird]

I understand that four were sold off and used elsewhere.   The preserved 110 come instantly to mind, sold off to Cannock Colliery and now on the IoW.   So perhaps we will get an NCB liveried one later.

 

I am modelling the Taw Valley, so a rebuilt E1/R at later date would be ideal for me.

[tractionman]

I understand that four were sold off and used elsewhere.   The preserved 110 come instantly to mind, sold off to Cannock Colliery and now on the IoW.   So perhaps we will get an NCB liveried one later.

 

 

 

Thanks, yes, an NCB version would be good to see

 

https://goo.gl/images/NcGJV5

 

cheers,

 

Keith

[burgundy]

Rather than trying to produce an E1R from the toolling, I wonder if a D tank would not be an easier proposition? There were "only" 125 of them and they had long lives on local passenger and push-pull trains. 

It will be interesting to see how well the colour of Improved Engine Green is captured, and whether the subtleties of the cab roof and the tank tops, which should be slightly recessed, are reproduced. 

Best wishes 

Eric 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Interesting . Haven’t we got a lot of Southernish tanks appearing at moment ? I’m thinking Hattons little 0-6-0 , is it a P, aren’t Dapol doing a Terrier? I admit I don’t know what an E1 is , but they all look pretty similar to me . Is there really a demand for all these 0-6-0 tanks ?

 But then again the UK's railway system (not just the Southern) was littered with small tank engines of numerous classes, and some of them quite attractive, and so far the models produced appear to have found customers. I imagine this 'picking up the crumbs' operation will continue until a well runs dry. The question for me is which ti will be: the money or the available subject list?

[dibber25]

Rather than trying to produce an E1R from the toolling, I wonder if a D tank would not be an easier proposition? There were "only" 125 of them and they had long lives on local passenger and push-pull trains. 

It will be interesting to see how well the colour of Improved Engine Green is captured, and whether the subtleties of the cab roof and the tank tops, which should be slightly recessed, are reproduced. 

Best wishes 

Eric 

 

My understanding is that industry best practice is to have a complete suite of tools for every model. This avoids uneven tool wear (two different chassis = 2 tools, same body moulding = 1 tool which gets twice as much use and wears twice as fast). Similarly, having a complete suite of tools for each model avoids 'mix and match' mistakes like 'B-set' coaches with 'B4' bogies (yes, it did happen!). It is also easier to have all the tools for one model together in the same factory. I have suggested that I would try doing an E1R conversion with styrene sheet. That's the only way an E1R is likely, while a D would require a complete new chassis, perhaps there's an etched kit?. (CJL)

Edited June 5, 2018 by dibber25

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

...I have suggested that I would try doing an E1R conversion with styrene sheet...

That looks pretty straightforward, as the new cab and bunker is larger, so the new cab and bunker could just 'wrap' the cut down original for secure location. As an alternative to plasticard fabrication it might make a good 3D print project?

 

 In 'thinking ahead' mode you might request that Rapido mark the radial axle position on some convenient concealed part of the frame representation as a guide to those wanting to make the conversion.

[sem34090]

Well, it goes against everything I stand for, but I will probably try and do an E1r cab and bunker for you all...

[Steamport Southport]

E1 was not a small class, with 80 examples! The Brighton had been full of ones and twos in J C Craven’s time, as he seemed to like tinkering, but Stroudley was strong on standardisation. The E1 was a success - but train weights began to increase and so Stroudley’s successor, Robert Billinton, created his various classes of radial tanks which were more puissant and led to E1s being laid off earlier than their sound design might suggest.

 

80 examples?

 

When you consider the LNWR had 943 DX Goods and built another 86 for the L&YR, then it's a miniscule class. Both in size and number.

 

 

 

Jason

[Oldddudders]

80 examples?

 

When you consider the LNWR had 943 DX Goods and built another 86 for the L&YR, then it's a miniscule class. Both in size and number.

 

 

 

Jason

I wasn’t aware that comparison with other railways was part of appreciating a newly-announced model.

[Edwardian]

E1 was not a small class, with 80 examples! The Brighton had been full of ones and twos in J C Craven’s time, as he seemed to like tinkering, but Stroudley was strong on standardisation. The E1 was a success - but train weights began to increase and so Stroudley’s successor, Robert Billinton, created his various classes of radial tanks which were more puissant and led to E1s being laid off earlier than their sound design might suggest.

 

I agree. For these Southern companies, 80 was a large class overall, and, as you say, particularly for the time.  The Terriers were 50-strong in comparison. 

 

So, yes, in the context, the answer to Big James is, no, not a small class!

Edited June 5, 2018 by Edwardian

[sem34090]

Huge class when compared to the other Southern 0-6-0T's currently available... especially when compared with the P's.

 

I would love to see a DX Goods, but that hasn't been announced and this has, and I'm sorry to break it to your little LNWR heart, a prettier appearance and prettier liveries!

[pete_mcfarlane]

That's the only way an E1R is likely, while a D would require a complete new chassis, perhaps there's an etched kit?. (CJL)

I seem to recall there are some dimensional differences between the E1 and D1, so the Finecast kit that uses the same body for both is only accurate for one of them.