jonny777 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Although, I wish I had recorded that level of info about the formations when I saw the production units in June/July 1976. It is amazing how one year's potential *nerdiness* becomes vital historical detail 40 years later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Commoner Posted June 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2018 Although HSTs were a fairly regular sight in Derby, what with the RTC where they were designed and developed, the Loco Works where power cars were serviced and Litchurch Lane where all the trailers were built, it wasn't until the start of the winter 1981/82 timetable that any actually called at the station in passenger service. Here we see the very first HST to call at Derby, on 5th October 1981, with the 07.00 Bristol - Leeds . It arrived 8 minutes early and the welcoming party on platform 1 included Radio Derby, who broadcast the event. Their radio car can be seen on the platform on the right. File2392.jpg For any number crunchers, the formation was: 43166, W41147, *40001, W42258, W42254, W42266, W42262, W44000, 43165 Note that the power cars and the TRSB didn't carry a W prefix. The * indicates the buffet end of the coach - I used to record such things I'm afraid...….. Although, I wish I had recorded that level of info about the formations when I saw the production units in June/July 1976. It is amazing how one year's potential *nerdiness* becomes vital historical detail 40 years later. I too have always recorded full formations and spent many years trying to gather similar observations from the early days on the WR (76/77/78), to supplement my own, and to get the fullest picture possible of how the WR fleet was formed and utilised. Probably seems a bonkers pursuit, but early HST working was pretty much neglected by most enthusiasts and the railway press at the time. If anybody has any observations from that era, I would be interested to see them - I am happy to negotiate payment or make charitable donations in recognition of contributions received. An earlier appeal on old RMWeb can be found here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34464. Please PM me if you can help or want me to expand. There is no doubt that detail you recorded Peter is of historical value for modellers and enthusiasts like me. Thanks for sharing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I have big regrets that I did not note the formations now. Mind you, in my spotting circle I had just about been accepted for writing down DMU numbers without being ostracised. It is amazing how much your peer group pressure (i.e. acting like sheep) results in history minutiae being lost. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Another NE/SW (as we called them in those days) set departs from Derby on 6th February 1982, with the 10.33 Leeds - Paignton. The train is formed 43167, 44065, 42294, 42286, 42298, 42290, 40003, 41159 and 43168 - I didn't note the individual vehicle prefix, if any. Edit - Though I'd written that formation on the slide, it must be the other way round judging by the roof vents which show the TRSB to be the second trailer Edited June 21, 2018 by Peter Kazmierczak 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Some of my b&w HSTs, for a change 43062 winds south round the curves at King Edward Bridge Junction, Gateshead on 6th July 1985 Front ends at Newcastle on 7th September 2002, with 43196 in Virgin livery Sorry, I didn't get the number - it was going too fast! Gateshead, 30th March 1991 Trevor 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted June 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Another NE/SW (as we called them in those days) set departs from Derby on 6th February 1982, with the 10.33 Leeds - Paignton. File2393.jpg The train is formed 43167, 44065, 42294, 42286, 42298, 42290, 40003, 41159 and 43168 - I didn't note the individual vehicle prefix, if any. Edit - Though I'd written that formation on the slide, it must be the other way round judging by the roof vents which show the TRSB to be the second trailer With tennis legends John McEnroe and Ilie Nastase at the controls, by the look of it. Edited June 22, 2018 by Western Aviator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium GWRPhil Posted June 22, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Here’s a very up to date set of pics and a vid of the hst in their very latest guise (taken 0816 this morning). The GWR short rake Video 1st Now the pics Edited June 22, 2018 by GWRPhil 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trev52A Posted June 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2018 More Newcastle views... 43052 leaves for the south on 19th August 1989, with 47477 on the left Close up on 43161 on 26th March 1994, with 91016 beyond Blast off by 43089 on 21st September 1997 Trevor 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted June 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2018 Brilliant pictures, Trevor. A hat-trick to rival Ronaldo, there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium GWRPhil Posted June 22, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2018 More Newcastle views... (2433bS) 43052+47477 on N-Liv Newcastle 19-8-89 (T Ermel) .jpg 43052 leaves for the south on 19th August 1989, with 47477 on the left (2488a) 43161+91016 Newcastle 26-3-94 (T Ermel) .jpg Close up on 43161 on 26th March 1994, with 91016 beyond (1964b) 43089 Newcastle 21-9-97 (T Ermel).jpg Blast off by 43089 on 21st September 1997 Trevor That last shot is a stunner mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 43029 at Leeds, Totnes, and Paignton 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted June 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2018 That last shot is a stunner mate. Sometimes black and white images work better than colour. Here that is the case, for all three.... Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Three more 'straight out of the box' at York back in 1978.. E43057 at the rear of a southbound train on 1st June 1978 E43073 and spotters on 2nd June 1978 According to my notebook this was the down 'Flying Scotsman' with E43067 leading on 2nd June 1978 Trevor 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Here's a lucky shot - two passing on the Royal Border Bridge, Berwick on 31st July 1981 Trevor 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Super shots Trevor. Here's a pair of power cars working back-to-back passing Peartree station, ex-works from Derby Loco on a test run. The date is 10th February 1982, but I've no idea of their numbers. At least the exhaust trail brightens-up a pretty rubbish day, weather-wise. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted June 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2018 Let's get Dad's in the frame first 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWT442 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Really enjoying the pictures in this thread. Some of the earlier shots of the HST's are fantatstic! Here's a few more from me. EMT's 43064 & 43089 are well away from home as they pass through Foxhills (between Totton & Ashurst New Forest). They're working 1Z43 Sheffield to Swanage "Swanage Samaritan" charity charter - 14.06.2014 Heading for home, 43089 leads 43064 through Bishops Dyke, on the approach to Beaulieu Road station, with the returning "Swanage Samarian". It was running as 1Z44 Swanage to Sheffield - 14.06.2014 No, it's not photoshopped! 43064 was adorned with South West Trains vinyls, as was the adjacent coach for the "Swanage Samaritan" - 14.06.2014 A formation for the modeller! East Coasts' 43317 leads a near rake of EMT liveried but EC branded MK3's, with the buffet being in EC colours. On the rear is 43074 in later Midland Mainline colours. The formation is seen at Doncaster, heading for London on an unknown working - 08.08.2011 Wearing National Express' "East Coast" livery, 43208 heads a 1E13 Inverness to London Kings Cross service at Doncaster - 18.04.2014 Coasting towards Burton-on-Trent, 43357 & 43303 are seen working the 1V52 Glasgow Central to Paignton Cross Country service - 30.05.2015 The classic "modern" HST shot! Seen at St Philips Marsh depot during the 2016 open day, are power cars from nearly all of the then operators. From front to back there is: 43187; 43048 "T.C.B Miller MBE"; 43300 "Craigentinny"; 43013; 43423 "Valenta 1972 -2010" & 43172 "Harry Patch" - 02.05.2016 Andy. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted June 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2018 Re. Post #116. The photo marked as “possibly Didcot Parkway” is definitely Didcot Parkway. Nice selection of pictures, Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium GWRPhil Posted June 23, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2018 Here’s a few of this mornings 0739 Penzance to Paddington passing Laira Vid to follow later 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Set 254 001 attracts the crowds as it passes Darlington on a test run/driver training run(?) on 28th July 1977 Trevor 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew s Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 43 081, Aberdeen, May 1990. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 43023 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted June 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2018 While I can’t find any of my more interesting HST photos in GWT days, I was happy to finally see 43185 back in October at Reading 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Not that many Midland ones so far, so let's redress the balance: 1983, the Master Cutler I think was the only passenger train that passed through Toton: 1985, among the semaphores at Leicester: 2004 at Hope, when Midland Mainline were running between Manchester and St Pancras during the WCML upgrade: 2018 at Tinsley viaduct, the "wrong" side of Meadowhall, when Sunday engineering work meant a diverted Leeds-St Pancras via Rotherham Central and Woodburn Junction: 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted June 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2018 You have had Dad's so you had better have some of mine now. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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