Guy Rixon Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Based on the test shot, I'd suggest staying with 3D hubs. If you go to Shapeways they will find several ways to bollix it up before you find the One True Workaround and the test prints will be expensive for you. And I would not be happy about buying a FUD print above £50 if it had not been tested. It's a different financial regime from the low-cost prints. About how much would we pay if you got them from 3D hubs? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Based on the test shot, I'd suggest staying with 3D hubs. If you go to Shapeways they will find several ways to bollix it up before you find the One True Workaround and the test prints will be expensive for you. And I would not be happy about buying a FUD print above £50 if it had not been tested. It's a different financial regime from the low-cost prints. About how much would we pay if you got them from 3D hubs? Yes, is there a TurboSnail PayPal account that we could swell in due course? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Regarding payments, I would probably go for PayPal as that seems to be relatively secure - better than cheques and cash at least. But I'm not going to be releasing anything until I have done the test build(s)! Speaking of, I need to chase up that Markits order... Prices still need working out as I need to factor in postage, and the motor and gears, although they should only add less than £5 to the cost, they have a long lead time from China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Regarding payments, I would probably go for PayPal as that seems to be relatively secure - better than cheques and cash at least. But I'm not going to be releasing anything until I have done the test build(s)! Speaking of, I need to chase up that Markits order... Prices still need working out as I need to factor in postage, and the motor and gears, although they should only add less than £5 to the cost, they have a long lead time from China. All very sensible - so the chassis will take Romford axles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 The drive wheels, bearings, axles, crankpins, tender wheels and bogie wheels come from Markits/Romford. For the princely sum of about £40. I would prefer Scalelink but they don't have the right size drivers or bogie wheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Please bear in mind that some buyers, like me, will only want a body print, not being able to use the chassis arrangements for OO. It'll be some time, possibly some years, before I can complete an F from your print so I'm not in a hurry. But I would like to know roughly how much to save up and whether I can punt it as a Christmas or birthday present this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Please bear in mind that some buyers, like me, will only want a body print, not being able to use the chassis arrangements for OO. It'll be some time, possibly some years, before I can complete an F from your print so I'm not in a hurry. But I would like to know roughly how much to save up and whether I can punt it as a Christmas or birthday present this year. I've been investigating this in the very limited downtime I've had recently - I estimate (in OO) the total cost of the Body, Tender, Chassis and Motor/Gears to come to about £50 (excluding postage). A complete locomotive with wheels and some detail parts should come in around the £100 mark. You can probably lose about £12 of that without the Chassis and Motor/Gears. But I'll leave the job of costing and logistics until after I've successfully test built one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 Good news! Markits have sent off the wheels! Bad news! Due to the stock difficulties they've been having recently, the order was delayed and didn't get to my preferred address before I had to leave to come back up to Leeds, so the parcel will be sitting on my desk at the other end of the country until about mid-September. Still, I hope to have much of the body done by then, and the R class project has been neglected a bit as of late... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 A couple of final photos of the prints before I start removing the supports, hopefully I'll have time to do it tonight - I'm leaving the chassis for now due to the wheel issue. These ones show the worst areas of support to remove, where they are enclosed or near detailed parts, so I'll have to think carefully about how I do it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Blimey, that's a lot of support. It doesn't look too hard to remove in OO but could be an issue down in N. Perhaps Shapeways is an option after all. Be interested to see how it comes out in N support wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Blimey, that's a lot of support. It doesn't look too hard to remove in OO but could be an issue down in N. Perhaps Shapeways is an option after all. Be interested to see how it comes out in N support wise. Never mind trains! Is that really you in your avatar ? This is really me ! Maddest ever plastic kit I've ever built. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Never mind trains! Is that really you in your avatar ? This is really me ! DSCN1539 (2).JPG Maddest ever plastic kit I've ever built. Gibbo. Cool. Got a picture somewhere of me dressed as Death from Discworld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 I can confirm that my profile picture is definitely not me. I am rather larger... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Never mind trains! Is that really you in your avatar ? This is really me ! DSCN1539 (2).JPG Maddest ever plastic kit I've ever built. Gibbo. My other hobby, 9 Star Wars costumes so far. It makes model railways look cheap as a hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 One of the best Shapeways prints I have bought came with such a web of support, but that seems to be necessary to secure a good print. I have no issues with it. Looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 One of the best Shapeways prints I have bought came with such a web of support, but that seems to be necessary to secure a good print. I have no issues with it. Looks good. Depends on the medium used. FUD or whatever it's called this week is supported by wax which is washed away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 My other hobby, 9 Star Wars costumes so far. It makes model railways look cheap as a hobby Apologies to Mr TurboSnail for going off topic here. Hi Gareth, I'm happy with just the Storm Trooper, saw the silly film in 1977 and thought they were the business then, I have also made myself a set of 180 AD Roman Armour. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 All the supports have now been removed, with the sophisticated method of poking it with a finger (the supports taper to a point near the body, so they snap off relatively cleanly).The remaining nubs have been sanded down with a Dremel and a 500-grit sanding disc (which I made by cutting a circle out of a sheet of sandpaper) but I took the photos before sanding which is why the footplate looks a bit bumpy. In the third photo, you can see the one error I've found so far with the print, some odd diagonal lines just in front of the cab - they will also get sanded down in due course. The other main issue so far has been entirely self-inflicted - I was a bit over-enthusiastic with the tender and broke the rear guard irons off, but some glue has mostly remedied this although in my ham-handedness I managed to lose the end of one of them, hence the uneven lengths. Also, I can't be bothered to edit the photo, so please don't look at the mystery things below the tender! They are still secret (but not a very well kept secret)... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 Today's lunch break CAD modelling session involved the other variant of the F class tender, as seen on later locomotives. I haven't fully worked it out yet, but I think the original style (as seen in the model in previous posts) was gradually replaced during SECR days with the later style (shown here) - I certainly haven't seen any photos of the original type in SR days. The F1s all seem to have carried this later style, and they may have been rebuilt at the same time as the engines, as there are very minimal differences between the two types, namely the lack of the house-type thing and the addition of the curved parts on the top in the later version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 Looking at motor/gearbox options for the F Class, the original plan was to use the smaller gear but some quick maths indicates that the larger gear gives a better top speed of about 400mm/s (roughly). This gear needed a bit of modification to open up the axle hole and remove the compound gear that came attached to it. I don't know how well the motor will last, but they are cheap enough to replace easily if needed 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Working as temporary staff at a university means occasional unexpected days off, which would have been even better if they'd told me before I'd walked all the way there... Still, not going to complain, as the F Class is now in primer - this is with no surface preparation. It also has some extra handrail and whistle mounting holes as I forgot to put those on the CAD model. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Looking very good indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 That's a gorgeous print, and the primer really shows the surface quality. There is (possibly?) the very slightest hint of print lines on the boiler, but they look to be so subtle that a single coat of filler primer would hide them. The splasher beading and the safety valve also look really good, and the quality of the print shows the quality of the draughtsmanship that went into the CAD work. Very exciting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 There are visible print lines if you look very closely, but as you say I think they'll get hidden under a few layers of primer and paint - the print definition is 25 microns (!) which is why it apparently took 40 hours to print. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Working as temporary staff at a university means occasional unexpected days off, which would have been even better if they'd told me before I'd walked all the way there... Still, not going to complain, as the F Class is now in primer - this is with no surface preparation. It also has some extra handrail and whistle mounting holes as I forgot to put those on the CAD model. IMG_20180828_112956.jpg Excellent work TS. You've created something of a masterpiece there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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