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The final test build is virtually finished now, the castings are all fitted, I just need to fit the handwheels to the wires which represent the threaded rods which operate the pressure plates and also to fit the Smiths coupling. I should get that done tomorrow then this one will be ready for the paint shop.

 

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Look very nice those Ian, I wonder if they were present in South Wales?

I'm not really sure, but I know they were used to carry fire bricks to many steel works so they could well have run to Port Talbot. I'm sure somebody on the forum will know exactly where they ran.

 

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Lovely, but can you slow down a bit Ian, I still haven't finished the coke hoppers!

Following on from the HUO, which manufacturer is going to bring this one out I wonder?!!

 

Mike.

 

 

Don't wind him up; I think he's safe with this one for now!  I'll be up for some of these, Ian, they look the business.

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I'm not really sure, but I know they were used to carry fire bricks to many steel works so they could well have run to Port Talbot. I'm sure somebody on the forum will know exactly where they ran.

 

Ian

I think Port Talbot used to draw its silica bricks from a works at the top of the Neath Valley (Pont Nedd Fechan/ Pont Neath Vaughn) . Not sure if they used Palbricks, or road transport. The other big manufacturer in South Wales was Stephens at Kidwelly, who closed by the mid-1960s. None of the photos I've seen of their works had any evident Palbricks.

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According to some minutes in The National Archives, the users of 48" x 48" Pallets which required the wider Palbrick B were:

Appleby Froddingham Iron & Steel Co, Scunthorpe and Guest Keen Ltd, Cardiff.

 

Initial allocations of Palbrick A's at that time (1956)  were:

Lot 3138 (12 Wagons)

Return to OSF Siding Steetley Whitwell ER (6 Wagons),

Return to OSF Siding Oughty Bridge ER (6 Wagons).

Lot 2668 (388 Wagons)

Return to R & M Ltd Trevor WR Via Ruabon (7 Wagons)

Return to GKN Henllys Brick Works Cwmbran WR (1 Wagon)

(380 Wagon allocations to follow)

 

The remaining Lots were shown for building in 1957/8 and so were unallocated at the time.

Later minutes have proved elusive so far.

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Lovely - is there any chance that you could supply the National Archives call number please? I'm down at Kew in a week or two and could usefully add such documents to my list of things to photograph (aside from the material I'm looking at for work).

 

According to some minutes in The National Archives, the users of 48" x 48" Pallets which required the wider Palbrick B were:

Appleby Froddingham Iron & Steel Co, Scunthorpe and Guest Keen Ltd, Cardiff.

 

Initial allocations of Palbrick A's at that time (1956)  were:

Lot 3138 (12 Wagons)

Return to OSF Siding Steetley Whitwell ER (6 Wagons),

Return to OSF Siding Oughty Bridge ER (6 Wagons).

Lot 2668 (388 Wagons)

Return to R & M Ltd Trevor WR Via Ruabon (7 Wagons)

Return to GKN Henllys Brick Works Cwmbran WR (1 Wagon)

(380 Wagon allocations to follow)

 

The remaining Lots were shown for building in 1957/8 and so were unallocated at the time.

Later minutes have proved elusive so far.

 

All best,

Adam

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I had a message from one of my friends who knows a lot more about 'The Real Railway' than I do, I'm basically just a modeller who likes to model railways. This was his comment about Palbricks in Wales.

 

Palbricks ran anywhere there was a demand for palletised bricks. The brickworks in the Elland (near Huddersfield in West Yokshire) area specialised in bricks for locomotive fireboxes and they were dispatched in Palbricks to sheds all over the country. I can remember seeing them in the goods yard at the station – there was a separate covered loading bay for the brick traffic.

 

I got the wagon more or less finished apart from painting today, I'll post a couple of pics later.

 

Ian

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Handwheels fitted and coupling test fitted now so this one is ready to paint. 

 

I have fitted an Instanter coupling to this wagon just to test the fit. It should be a screw link coupling but I didn't have one in my box of bits so I used this one instead. It will be removed and the correct one fitted after it is painted.

 

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I have started a list of those members who have requested one of these wagons, if anybody else wants one please pm me and I'll add you to the list.

 

Ian

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With Bachmann doing the Freightliner flats have you thought about doing the kit as an adapter?

 

Mark Saunders

Hi Mark

 

This version isn't suitable as the converter wagon, most of them were from Palbrick C's and had different brake gear. Apart from that the floor was removed so they were open framed, it could be redone but it's virtually a start from scratch job.

 

To answer some of the questions above,

 

Mike of the DLI, I'm not going to ask Dave to do the vac bags, he is too busy already.

 

Coachman, yes it is 4mm scale.

 

Mike in Spain, don't worry, I've only got one more project on the cards which is the Siphon G to diagram O.33 and then I'm seriously thinking of taking a break till the rtr guys catch up with me again !!!

 

Ian

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There doesn't seem to be a lot of photographs showing Palbricks in a train, so I thought I'd show this one. It was taken by Tim Shackleton in 1961 and shows a train of new Palbricks coming from the works with a 9F in charge of the train.

 

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There doesn't seem to be a lot of photographs showing Palbricks in a train, so I thought I'd show this one. It was taken by Tim Shackleton in 1961 and shows a train of new Palbricks coming from the works with a 9F in charge of the train.

 

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Ian

 

Must resist.

Nonononononononono.

 

Mike.

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Steam Days December 2002 p.736 has a colour photo of two in a train behind a 9F near Oxenholme. It's a rear 3/4 view from above with the palbricks in the foreground, though slightly blurred. 

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I've had the attached photo showing a 9F with a couple of Palbricks in the train sent to me by a friend. We have tried to trace the copyright holder without success, so we apologise in advance if this causes any annoyance.

 

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A curious omission from Hornbach....  And a likely candidate from Oxford Rail.

Too short an operating period, too few liveries, too complex to make a reasonably priced model. But a shame as a drawing was published nearly 35 years ago.

 

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Too short an operating period, too few liveries, too complex to make a reasonably priced model. But a shame as a drawing was published nearly 35 years ago.

 

Paul

 

A drawing of a "Palbrick A" by E.B.Trotter was published in Plans Page of the Model Railways Constructor for August 1958.  The accompanying photo showed an ex-works example with the running number, tare etc and "Return to.." branding painted on the removable side panels.  Presumably that idea didn't last long...!

 

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Too short an operating period, too few liveries

 

That shouldn't bother Oxford, they would probably run a few off in 1920's PO liveries.

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