brian777999 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) With the loss of the Coopercraft 4mm wagon kits, what do I do for a GWR cattle wagon ? Edited August 17, 2018 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Simple- buy a Coopercraft kit!......you can still pick these up on eBay and at shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 I live in Australia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I live in Australia. Given the ongoing saga of Coopercraft, you've probably as much chance of getting one as anyone. Would it be possible to modify one of kit versions from Dapol (formerly Airfix)? Although these are the BR Diagram, my recollection is that they owed a lot to the GWR one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 What used to be Parkside Dundas now part of Peco, and marketed as Parkside Kits do the 'Beetle'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I live in Australia.Sorry- using mobile version of the site so didn’t realise: I’ll have a look how many I’ve got and see if I can spare one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 What used to be Parkside Dundas now part of Peco, and marketed as Parkside Kits do the 'Beetle'. The "Beetle" is a prize livestock van, not a general use cattle wagon. I did the 4mm Parkside kit. It is very good and worth having in ones wagon stable. Shame that there is no kit for the cattle wagon (no RTR either?). Perhaps Slaters will pick it up just as they did the Coopercraft 7mm range. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted June 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2018 There was an article in the MRJ, years ago on back dating the Airfix/Dapol cattle wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) There was an article in the MRJ, years ago on back dating the Airfix/Dapol cattle wagon. That was my next question : how different is the Dapol RTR cattle wagon from the GWR version ? ...or perhaps Coopercraft will get his new machine working Edited June 27, 2018 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 You could use the Parkside LMS or LNER version as they were common user after 1925. Also RTR versions including the Hornby SR ones. Not vacuum braked versions after 1933 though. That's if your layout is post 1925 that is. GWR cattle wagon were common user for a few months but were withdrawn due to problems with the doors not being compatible with other companies cattle docks. Obviously that all changed when war broke out and everything was pooled. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 That was my next question : how different is the Dapol RTR cattle wagon from the GWR version ? ...or perhaps Coopercraft will get his new machine working Oink, flap, oink, flap ... Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2018 There's the old brass kit from Jidenco now Falcon Brass available via Dart Castings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booking Hall Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 There was a lengthy article in the August 1978 Railway Modeller dealing with the construction of GWR cattle wagons using both the Airfix kit (now Dapol) and Wrenn RTR cattle wagons as a starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Given the ongoing saga of Coopercraft, you've probably as much chance of getting one as anyone. Would it be possible to modify one of kit versions from Dapol (formerly Airfix)? Although these are the BR Diagram, my recollection is that they owed a lot to the GWR one. The B.R. dia 352 Cattle Wagon such as produced by Airfix/Dapol was a development of the GWR dia W12 so can be backdated reasonably easily. The main differences are in the underframe. You would have to increase the wheelbase from a scale 11' to 11' 3" and replace the B.R. axleguards/axleboxes with G.W. types. There a few very minor differences to the body. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) There's the old brass kit from Jidenco now Falcon Brass available via Dart Castings. Falcon Brassworks have their own website. Is there a problem there as no kits are being listed at all ? I think I read on another thread something about this. Edited June 27, 2018 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 You could use the Parkside LMS or LNER version as they were common user after 1925. Also RTR versions including the Hornby SR ones. Not vacuum braked versions after 1933 though. That's if your layout is post 1925 that is. GWR cattle wagon were common user for a few months but were withdrawn due to problems with the doors not being compatible with other companies cattle docks. Obviously that all changed when war broke out and everything was pooled. Jason Funny how a war can made doors suddenly compatible! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Falcon Brassworks have their own website. Is there a problem there as no kits are being listed at all ? I think I read on another thread something about this. There is a thread in the Smaller suppliers section. It suggests that Falcon have stopped trading. There is a list on GWR.org http://www.gwr.org.uk/kits4wagons.html. of the GWR stock kits that have been or are available. Looks like the Dapol kit might be your best bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2018 Funny how a war can made doors suddenly compatible! "You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" Oh, sorry wrong Michael Caine film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 The "Beetle" is a prize livestock van, not a general use cattle wagon. I did the 4mm Parkside kit. It is very good and worth having in ones wagon stable. Shame that there is no kit for the cattle wagon (no RTR either?). Perhaps Slaters will pick it up just as they did the Coopercraft 7mm range. John Arr, but you only put horses in a stable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Funny how a war can made doors suddenly compatible! Was it the GWR doors or was it everybody else' cattle docks that suddenly became compatible, though ? .............. or is the answer still covered by the Official Secrets Act ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 They probably weren't taking them from cattle dock to cattle dock to sell at market. They would be taking them to mass slaughterhouses to feed the troops. That was probably just a big field not far away from the camps. So they probably just used a loading bay, platform or ramp. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) I have picked up one Coopercraft W1/W5 cattle wagon kit on ebay. I am in the process of building and fitting it with Kadees. I am a bit puzzled over the two sets of brake gear supplied in the kit : two of them are right over left and two of them are left over right. I am building the W1 version with DC cross cornered brakes so which set should I be using ? I have cut off the tie rods between the axle bars. Note : I have searched the internet for images of this wagon and it is built in every possible configuration so no help there as I don't know who is right and who is wrong ! Edited August 17, 2018 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted August 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2018 I woudn't know. But it might be a good idea to retitle the thread ( which you can do by the Full Editor button on your first post). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 A replacement machine has come and hoping to start production for the Cooper Craft, Mailcoach & Kirk LNER in the near future. From their website (could be old news). Also there are some instructions (under "instructions") for the Cattle Wagon which might explain the brakes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) A replacement machine has come and hoping to start production for the Cooper Craft, Mailcoach & Kirk LNER in the near future. From their website (could be old news). Also there are some instructions (under "instructions") for the Cattle Wagon which might explain the brakes Yes, but the enclosed instructions do not say anything about why there are two different sets of brake gear. I think the answer may be on this website but I will have to read it a few times to get my head around it. He does mention that there are two sets of brake push rods in the Coopercraft kits so I need to sort out which are to be used. (I think it is left over right for the W1 wagons and brake push rods on one side only) : http://www.gwr.org.uk/nowagonbrakes.html Edited August 18, 2018 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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