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7mm southern region terriers branch line o gauge darstaed Hayling Island Terminus




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#1 The Bigbee Line

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 21:38

Ever the one for changing my mind I was sorting out the perennial messy state of the workshop and I noted that I had a stash of 18" - 24" wide boards.  I had been looking at KESR based locations and will probably build Bodiam.  A 'penny dropping' moment said why not somewhere on the Hayling Island Line, classic Terrier territory.  On a couple of lengths of CLS timber sitting on 2 trestles provided a stand for the various boards.  Enough waffle, here is the first iteration:

 

Picture 1 - From the stops the lines from left to right are:  Bay Platform, Platform Line, Run Round / Goods Line and Goods Siding.

 

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Picture 2 - Drivers Eye View - Peco Points

 

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Picture 3 - The line on the left needs a trap point.

 

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Picture 4 - View from the stops of the Bay Platform.

 

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Picture 5 - Close up of the station throat.

 

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I have lost a couple of sidings, but kept the bay platform as it was a big feature of the station.

 

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 07:19

Looking at my pictures taken yesterday, I think my 'curve' is too tight

 

Looking at various pictures on the internet I found a useful flickr picture from John Law https://www.flickr.c.../johnmightycat/

 

hayling flickr john law 00q.jpg

 

https://www.flickr.c...cat/6827642574/ by https://www.flickr.c.../johnmightycat/ on flickr

 

It shows the curve on the open end of the platform.  The main platform line looks quite curved, not so on the bay platform track.  Not sure if that's the effect of the camera.  Tonight I will have another go and ease up on the angles.

 

Other items of interest:

 

The replacement rail built SR style signal.  Other pictures show 2 LBSC wooden post starting signals.

 

The small signal box and the other wooden building.

 

The 'must have' coal stage.

 

Brick edged gravel topped platform.

 

The station is shown on the 'side by side' maps web site.  They have the 25" to the mile version available.  Interestingly the bay line is there but the bit in the platform is not shown?

 

 


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 08:27

We spent the day yesterday at the coast, North Norfolk Railways Suburban Gala. I was confirming Mk1 suburban measurements and getting detail photographs. Got a few funny looks from some staff, other were helpful and interested. The 4 set that the NNR run are very well turned out, both inside and outside. At some point I'd like a couple of 64 foot 10 compartment thirds. At the same time I was mulling over the track layout for my own version of Hayling Island.

The curve on my first version was about 8' radius. I think I need to cut out some card curved for radius much larger and see how they look. Looking at the plan below you will see I am not modelling 2 of the sidings. The other 4 lines all come together in 3 sets of buffer stops. If I move these to one side of the board I get the various tracks away from being parallel with the front edge of the board.

hayling plan IMG_8155.jpg

I will lay the track out for a second time later today....

I also drew out a 'fag packet' track plan. showing the key items:

Platform - Brick edge, gravel top

Platform Canopy

Platform Signs

Platform Seats

Signal Box

Signals

Wooden Hut near signal box

P Way Hut

Station Building

Buffer Stops

Coal Stage

I think that's about it. Need to finish my cup of tea and get on with it....

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 22:11

Tonight I cut out several curved templates, the largest being approximately 14' radius,  I moved the points to a shallower angle and layed in the curve..

 

hayling throat IMG_8159.jpg

 

I end up with the release road at the end of the run round running off the edge of the board at that angle.  I think I need to lay out the platform line first, then swing the curve to the points in the throat.  Plus an even large radius curve.... That will be for tomorrow.

 

Most of the pictures of the branch are from 1963.  Are there any in early BR days when the terriers were still in Southern paint.


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 23:19

Looking at various old maps the angle between the approach and the platforms is not that shallow.  I think I will lay some paper under my next effort with a 28' radius then if the curve is suitable I can trace around the track to shuffle it into the best position.

 

hayling map.jpg


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 23:26


 

Most of the pictures of the branch are from 1963.  Are there any in early BR days when the terriers were still in Southern paint.

 

This link takes you to a picture  being described as 4th march 1950,leaving Havant; (second pic down)

https://chasewaterst...ly-era/page/16/

 

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:54

This link takes you to a picture  being described as 4th march 1950,leaving Havant; (second pic down)

https://chasewaterst...ly-era/page/16/

 

Brian.

Brian,

 

Thanks for that, not seen that picture before

 

32661 is in Southern Black with 'sunshine' lettering.  An easy one to do as there is no lining...

 

 

Thanks.  I think I'll make up a matrix..



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:28

Looking at various pictures on the internet I found a useful flickr picture from John Law https://www.flickr.c.../johnmightycat/

 

attachicon.gifhayling flickr john law 00q.jpg

 

https://www.flickr.c...cat/6827642574/ by https://www.flickr.c.../johnmightycat/ on flickr

 

 

 

 

The signal cabin at Hayling Island is of wooden construction.  I am trying to make a drawing using the door and the boarding as a guide to scale.  Is there any wooden structure in existence that has the same style of construction,  I think the boarding is 'shiplap'?

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

hayling cabin flickr john law 00q.jpg

 

https://www.flickr.c...cat/6827642574/ by https://www.flickr.c.../johnmightycat/ on flickr shows the boarding.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:44

The signal cabin at Hayling Island is of wooden construction.  I am trying to make a drawing using the door and the boarding as a guide to scale.  Is there any wooden structure in existence that has the same style of construction,  I think the boarding is 'shiplap'?

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

attachicon.gifhayling cabin flickr john law 00q.jpg

 

https://www.flickr.c...cat/6827642574/ by https://www.flickr.c.../johnmightycat/ on flickr shows the boarding.

Ernie, here's the current style of 'ship-lap':-

https://www.jewson.c...edwood-shiplap/

I have a feeling the boards used to be wider; perhaps 9", with about a 3" overlap.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:36

Ernie, here's the current style of 'ship-lap':-

https://www.jewson.c...edwood-shiplap/

I have a feeling the boards used to be wider; perhaps 9", with about a 3" overlap.

Brian,

 

Thanks for that.  Like you I think it was much wider.  I can rough a drawing with various widths and see what looks right.  If I can see a suitable wooden building of similar age it would help.  The Railway Workshops would have produced all their own timber sections.

 

Typical Ship Lap section shown below:

Shiplap.jpg

Evergreen do a .040" (1.0mm) thick sheet with 6.3 mm groove spacing, the grooves are .93 mm  so the boards are pitched at 7.23 mm, If I read their information sheet correctly.  For such a small building I can score some sheet to suit.



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 18:26

How's this for shiplap, about halfway down the page the little carting shed. http://www.rmweb.co....bristol/page-14

Martyn.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 19:07

How's this for shiplap, about halfway down the page the little carting shed. http://www.rmweb.co....bristol/page-14

Martyn.


Martyn

Thanks for the link. Nice shed. I think it’s overlapping board, not shiplac. I’m going to rough one out tomorrow

Ernie
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 20:23

Brian,
 
Thanks for that.  Like you I think it was much wider.  I can rough a drawing with various widths and see what looks right.  If I can see a suitable wooden building of similar age it would help.  The Railway Workshops would have produced all their own timber sections.
 
Typical Ship Lap section shown below:
attachicon.gifShiplap.jpg
Evergreen do a .040" (1.0mm) thick sheet with 6.3 mm groove spacing, the grooves are .93 mm  so the boards are pitched at 7.23 mm, If I read their information sheet correctly.  For such a small building I can score some sheet to suit.


The picture shows t&g cladding.
Real ship lap are slightly tapered boards that overlap starting from the bottom up. A visit to a fencing or shed supplier will explain all.
In 7mm, once you have worked out the size it should be fairly easy to do using 10thou plastikard strips. The overlap would probably be about 1.5 inches.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 20:50

The signal cabin is done in weatherboard, which looks similar to tongue and groove.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 21:59

Doilum

I think you might be talking about featheredge boarding, which sometimes wrongly gets called shiplap.

Bigbee

I have a feeling that some of the small buildings on the KESR and Swanage Railway might be clad with proper shiplap.

Picture of shiplap and featheredge below.

Kevin

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 22:11

The picture shows t&g cladding.
Real ship lap are slightly tapered boards that overlap starting from the bottom up. A visit to a fencing or shed supplier will explain all.
In 7mm, once you have worked out the size it should be fairly easy to do using 10thou plastikard strips. The overlap would probably be about 1.5 inches.

The building must be tounge

 

Doilum

I think you might be talking about featheredge boarding, which sometimes wrongly gets called shiplap.

Bigbee

I have a feeling that some of the small buildings on the KESR and Swanage Railway might be clad with proper shiplap.

Picture of shiplap below.

Kevin

Kevin,

 

Thanks for the picture.  I think it is the board that you show.  I've been looking for similar.  If you look at this Ian D Nolan picture of Hove, you can see that the signal box privy seems to have the style as in your example https://www.flickr.c...309795/sizes/k/



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Posted 11 July 2018 - 22:22

It seems to have been quite common in the SE of England, and there was a fancy version used on some station buildings, by the SER I think, but possibly also the LBSCR, which had a decorative (dirt trapping) moulding routed into the front face. I'll see if I can find a picture.

Vast quantities of shiplap here http://www.disused-s...e/index15.shtml

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 23:32

It seems to have been quite common in the SE of England, and there was a fancy version used on some station buildings, by the SER I think, but possibly also the LBSCR, which had a decorative (dirt trapping) moulding routed into the front face. I'll see if I can find a picture.

Vast quantities of shiplap here http://www.disused-s...e/index15.shtml

Kevin,

 

Nice picture of Eridge.  That reminded me that we stopped off there last year....

 

Here is an enlargement of the mainline platform.  The posters are Double Royal, so a 'fag packet' calculation is 5 boards = 40" so 8 inches per board.  That makes the door approx. 80" high.  Seems Ok to me.

 

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I'll draw it out with 8" boards..

 

Also had some pictures of the various nice posters etc....

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 00:00

Kevin... why does that poster mis-name you? :jester:



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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:49

Odd isn’t it.

They also fail to underline the word ‘do’ in the question.

Nice to see that I’m pictured on what was my ‘home station’ for the first twent or so years of my life, though.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:46

Doilum
I think you might be talking about featheredge boarding, which sometimes wrongly gets called shiplap.
Bigbee
I have a feeling that some of the small buildings on the KESR and Swanage Railway might be clad with proper shiplap.
Picture of shiplap and featheredge below.
Kevin


Stand corrected!!
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Posted 14 July 2018 - 15:02

I've been thinking too much about the layout and decided to get on with it.

 

The first picture shows the rough track layout for the platform and run round on 2 x 4' x 2' boards.  The tracks from left to right are:

 

Bay Platform, Platform Road, Run Round and Goods Siding.

 

The aim is to have the tracks at the far base board joint at 90 degree's to the join.  The bottom of the platform ramp will end at the baseboard joint.  I will cheat and have a wooden foot crossing running along the joint to hide it. 

 

The run round should take 4 coaches if required.  The shunt neck is small as it only has to take a Terrier...

 

IMG_8323.JPG

 

As the layout will live in the workshop I might add an additional set of points to lead to future goods sidings.

 

IMG_8325.JPG .

 

A point of interest is that pictures of the Bay do not show a loco on the stops, so I assume that the trains would arrive in the main platform road and shunt across to the bay after running round. 

 

Mixed trains and freights would arrive in the platform road and shunt after run round.

 

Anyway, that's it for now.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 15:24

I take it that you have the Middleton Press book "Branch Line to Hayling".

That has a couple of pictures of the inside of the signal box, so you can see the other side of the boards (no little niceties like insulation!). That might help your drawing of it.

It also has pictures of the other hut (referred to as an enginemen's mess hut), including one of the washing facilities ( a bowl of water on a stand outside the entrance!).

 

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 16:31

I take it that you have the Middleton Press book "Branch Line to Hayling".
That has a couple of pictures of the inside of the signal box, so you can see the other side of the boards (no little niceties like insulation!). That might help your drawing of it.
It also has pictures of the other hut (referred to as an enginemen's mess hut), including one of the washing facilities ( a bowl of water on a stand outside the entrance!).
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Gordon


Thanks for the tip. Will need to look on line tonight.
Sounds just the ticket

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 21:34

Track laying went into the night...  Should have had some 7mm tilley lamps.  I can remember as a kid watching the glow of the tilley lamps as the track gang worked at night.  Like a fairy glow worm dancing, quite magical, I'd forgotten about that until tonight.

 

Anyway, with Linda's help I had drawn some 30' ish curves and was able to use these with the curves in the platform.  As mentioned previously the tracks were to cross one of the joins at 90 degrees (The first 2 inches of each track is straight).  The platform line then straightened out and headed to a pre-determined position for the points for the loco run round.  The curve was very slight, more so than I imagined.

 

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This is an overall picture of the 2 x 4 foot boards.  the goods line on the left looks wrong being straight.  I'm going to move it where it crosses the joint to a minimum 6 foot with the run round road, then to curve very very gently and end up almost parallel with the Loco release.  Note the essential modelling aid - The Cup of Tea.

 

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I've ordered by Middleton Press 'Branch Line to Hayling', so look forward to the pictures.  I have made the platform 12' wide.  Maybe I will cut out a card version to see how it looks.  The surface looks like gravel with brick faces.  The joint should be hidden by the canopy.

 

Let's see what tomorrow brings.


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