What's a Western Region HST doing at Queen Street

[woodenhead]

Another nice video of 80s traction, question what is a Western Region HST doing in Queen street or was it a Cross Country unit by then (43003), there is an Eastern Region 8 coach HST later on fouling the lines even more.

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by woodenhead

[Bomag]

June 1989 would have been still in the time of additional CC summer services where spare HSTs from both ER and WR depots were borrowed.  If the footage was taken on a Saturday then it could have been one of the overnight services from Cornwall, or a early morning services to the South West.

[keefer]

definitely a WR set as it has W- coach numbers & a TRSB (still branded Buffet-Bar 125) and must be a 'normal' set as it has 2 TFs.

The cross-country (or NE-SW) sets only had one TF and a TRSB.

If anyone can read one of the coach numbers that would tell you the actual set - by this time, power cars were used as & when required.

 

IIRC early-mid '80s, HSTs would often do a fill-in push-pull turn particularly first thing in the morning - an empty run from Craigentinny to form the first Edinburgh train of the day, back in time to start their own scheduled service.

 

And as noted, they only ever were supposed to use the RH most platforms due to the length issue and presumably turned round as quickly as possible

[keefer]

I wonder if there were diversions going on at all, as the push-pull at 07:45 is the wrong way round. Part of the Sec.App. instructions for Queen St. was that the DBSO must be at the Glasgow end and if not, the set should be turned as soon as possible.

Also just noticed on the cl.107 at the start, someone opens a door on the TS well before it's even near the platform!

 

Thanks for posting a great video, very nostalgic

[mdvle]

definitely a WR set as it has W- coach numbers & a TRSB (still branded Buffet-Bar 125) and must be a 'normal' set as it has 2 TFs.

The cross-country (or NE-SW) sets only had one TF and a TRSB.

If anyone can read one of the coach numbers that would tell you the actual set - by this time, power cars were used as & when required.

 

 

Looks like W41135 / W41136 for the firsts.

 

Station end power car is 43003.

Edited July 18, 2018 by mdvle

[royaloak]

Looks like W41135 / W41136 for the firsts.

 

Station end power car is 43003.

The buffet is W40423 and all 3 were part of set OO34 at the time which was indeed an internal Western Region set, the complete set was-

41135, 41136, 40423, 42279, 42280, 42281, 44035.

Just checked and 41135, 40703, 42280, 42502, 42265, 42279, 42281, 44035 is the current formation of LA11, so most of them are still together, 41136 is stored at Ely, 40423 is now 40902 which is stored at Laira.

Edited July 18, 2018 by royaloak

[45125]

The buffet is W40423 and all 3 were part of set OO34 at the time which was indeed an internal Western Region set, the complete set was-

41135, 41136, 40423, 42279, 42280, 42281, 44035.

 

 At the time the WR had the maintenance of some of the cross Country sets along with NL and EC. On the western sets any power car would turn up, although the GEC cars were quite rear. Old Oak sets often turned up on a weekend.

[Phil R]

From May 1989, there were two Saturdays Only InterCity Holidaymaker services between Glasgow Queen Street and Newquay (HST)

 

0655 Glasgow Queen St - Newquay 1810.

0950 Newquay - Glasgow Queen St 2048.

 

They were routed via the NE-SW route, rather than the WCML - Birmingham, Derby, Doncaster, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh.

 

Northbound was non-stop between Plymouth and Derby!

Southbound non-stop between Derby and Bristol Temple Meads.

 

There were equivalent services in the Summer 1988 timetable (HSTs) both routed via St Andrews Jn also avoiding Birmingham New Street.

1990 services were worked by Laira HST sets.

 

Regards

 

Phil

Edited July 20, 2018 by Phil R

[The Pilotman]

From May 1989, there were two Saturdays Only InterCity Holidaymaker services between Glasgow Queen Street and Newquay (HST)

 

0655 Glasgow Queen St - Newquay 1810.

0950 Newquay - Glasgow Queen St 2048.

 

They were routed via the NE-SW route, rather than the WCML - Birmingham, Derby, Doncaster, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh.

 

Northbound was non-stop between Plymouth and Derby!

Southbound non-stop between Derby and Bristol Temple Meads.

 

There were equivalent services in the Summer 1988 timetable (HSTs) both routed via St Andrews Jn also avoiding Birmingham New Street.

1990 services were worked by Laira HST sets.

 

Regards

 

Phil

Plymouth to Derby, non-stop? Must have required a robust bladder on the part of the driver. Which depot would have that sort of route knowledge?

[Rail-Online]

Plymouth to Derby, non-stop? Must have required a robust bladder on the part of the driver. Which depot would have that sort of route knowledge?

Saltley of course!!!!!

[Phil R]

Plymouth to Derby, non-stop? Must have required a robust bladder on the part of the driver. Which depot would have that sort of route knowledge?

 

Plymouth dep 1125, arr Derby 1508. 3hrs 43mins.

Don't know which depot would work that.

The 1988 equivalent stops to change Train crew. I bet they were glad of that!

[GordonC]

Plymouth dep 1125, arr Derby 1508. 3hrs 43mins.

Don't know which depot would work that.

The 1988 equivalent stops to change Train crew. I bet they were glad of that!

 

wow!! I'm amazed it would have went non-stop through so many main stations en-route