hayfield Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 It was a ball and socket arrangement that fitted inside the neoprene tube. The b & s provided alignment, the flexible tube provided power transmission. I don't think that all the original Exactoscale items changed hands. Some were frankly over complicated, the original "cam" operated turnout operating units being a good example. I think I've still got some examples of the early Exactoscale stuff, should anyone wish to start a Black Museum. I have some of there and think they are fantastic, much better in my opinion of anything else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) I think this backfired on P4 and indeed “finescale” generally, leading to the idea that it wasn’t for anyone but a small group of dedicated obsessives, and creating accusations (justified or not) of elitism. As far as I can see, the Scalefour Society was created as much to redress that as over the strange setup of the original P4 Society. Sadly, I think there is still some backwash over that, despite the peaceful merger of the P4S into S4MRS. Would love to see just one organisation for 4mm scale: after all, both S4Soc and EMGS constitutionally accept 00, EM and P4 modellers, and presumably those who model to different 4mm scale gauges, as well as other scales. Totally agree that perhaps representatives of each groups belonging to one overseeing group who would speak up for 4 mm scale modellers. Let’s face it scale and aims for better quality RTR models are similar which ever scale one uses. I think having one group speaking up for 4mm scale better than small factione Edited September 18, 2018 by hayfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I have some of there and think they are fantastic, much better in my opinion of anything else Which, the U/J drives or the TOUs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Which, the U/J drives or the TOUs? Jol The turnout operating units. I still have some 00 ones which I hope I can use for a small P4 inglenook I plan to start. Hoping to use the 00 ones and just bend the wires a little more I found the universal joints too rigid, but may have used them wrongly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Jol The turnout operating units. I still have some 00 ones which I hope I can use for a small P4 inglenook I plan to start. Hoping to use the 00 ones and just bend the wires a little more I found the universal joints too rigid, but may have used them wrongly I believe that London Road originally had them but they all failed over a fairly short time, with the exception of one that Bernard Weller assembled, silver soldering it together. The others were all soft soldered. Great idea in theory, but not that practical in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I believe that London Road originally had them but they all failed over a fairly short time, with the exception of one that Bernard Weller assembled, silver soldering it together. The others were all soft soldered. Great idea in theory, but not that practical in reality. I superglued mine, though I guess Loctite would be better. Must admit never got a lot of use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNW1919 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I notice that all the Exactoscale track components seem to have now been removed from the C&L website. I've looked on the Scalefour Stores website but can't seem to find any mention of them now stocking these items. Does anyone have any idea if they are currently available (I'm specifically after some 7mm scale 3 bolt chairs). I did put a post on the Scalefour Forum a few weeks ago asking Andrew Jukes what was happening with regard to 7mm track components but as yet have not had a reply. Have just this minute packed some 7mm S1 chairs I will have some plus Bridge and Slide Chairs at Scaleforum this weekend Tony Sullivan MNW!919 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike knowles Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 Have just this minute packed some 7mm S1 chairs I will have some plus Bridge and Slide Chairs at Scaleforum this weekend Tony Sullivan MNW!919 Thanks Tony. Unfortunately I can't make it to Scaleforum and for the few chairs I needed at the moment (to complete the last siding on our club layout) I used some from C&L. However good to know things are moving forward so I can get back to planning my own 7mm layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stentor Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Fixed it for you. Since I joined the EMGS I certainly haven't been asked for evidence that I own a set of EM gauges (shh.. don't tell them, I think I might have a couple of 00 gauges somewhere too). Since I joined the EMGS they haven’t had 3 point track gauges or their starter EM gauge sets in stock themselves so they are not in a position to point fingers. // Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted November 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2018 I see that Exactoscale products are now available via their web site https://exactoscale.com/track-components/ Ordering and paying is a bit clunky - not that I have tried it. The 10% mail order fee seems a bit costly then there's 50p packaging charge (thought the mail order fee would have covered this) plus minimum postage of £3.82 (signed for 2nd class). Still if you want these products it's the only place to go since C&L appear still to be having problems. A tip for my 4-SF (00SF) colleagues, I have used the EM check rail chairs on the turnouts of my latest layout with no problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 There are no EM gauge chec I see that Exactoscale products are now available via their web site https://exactoscale.com/track-components/ Ordering and paying is a bit clunky - not that I have tried it. The 10% mail order fee seems a bit costly then there's 50p packaging charge (thought the mail order fee would have covered this) plus minimum postage of £3.82 (signed for 2nd class). Still if you want these products it's the only place to go since C&L appear still to be having problems. A tip for my 4-SF (00SF) colleagues, I have used the EM check rail chairs on the turnouts of my latest layout with no problems. There are no EM gauge check rail chairs!! The E4CH 403A (0.8mm flangeway) are P4 gauge widened, I adapt them for both EM and 00SF by cutting through one of the chair halves and resetting them in gauge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted November 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) Hi John, it's just that on their drawing of the check rail chair on the web site they say: 4CH 403A – Check chair (EM 0.8mm flangeway) Either way, I have used them uncut for 4-SF and all is fine. Edited November 20, 2018 by Rowsley17D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted November 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) 4CH 403A – Check chair (EM 0.8mm flangeway) Either way, I have used them uncut for 4-SF and all is fine. Hi Jonathan, You have increased the check span to 14.4mm, or reduced the track gauge to 16.0mm. If the former, some 00 RTR models will rub or bind across the check and wing rails. If the latter their flanges will bind between the rails. By all means create your own standard -- BUT GIVE IT A NEW NAME OF YOUR OWN. 4-SF (00-SF) uses 1.0mm flangeways. If you use 0.8mm flangeways it is NOT 4-SF (00-SF). I'm not doubting that what you are doing works for you, but it is NOT 4-SF and it is not fair to beginners to publish misleading information about 4-SF like this. Using 0.8mm flangeways is NOT 4-SF (00-SF) and won't work for the many users who want to run unmodified RTR. It is the reason so many standards get in a mess -- folks make some private change to the dimensions, and then say that they are still using P4 or S gauge or whatever. How hard is it to create your own name for your modified version? Martin. Edited November 20, 2018 by martin_wynne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Jonnathan I think if you check the EM gauge standards its 1 mm, though you set the check rails with a check rail gauge, where the important measurement is in relation to the vee and not the stock rail. I see what they have written on their site and would be very interested in hearing how they have come up with this explanation. At a guess as many adapt these chairs for use with EM, 00sf and 00 gauges the assumption is as they are not a standard P4 size, they must be for something else. Glad they work, but may struggle with EM wheel sets which are on the slightly coarser extremes of the tolerances I spoke with Len Newman quite a few years ago at the Watford Finescale show and asked about them, his reply to me was they were a mistake (he was not very well at the time) However Martin Wynn suggested that they do match up with P4 gauge widened check rail tolerances, in the absence of confirmation from Mr Newman they will remain a slight mistry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Still if you want these products it's the only place to go since C&L appear still to be having problems. No it isn't- the Scalefour Society & EM Gauge Society are stocking them, for sales to members (which includes 'day members - ie those who visit the shows they run). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I see that Exactoscale products are now available via their web site https://exactoscale.com/track-components/ Ordering and paying is a bit clunky - not that I have tried it. The 10% mail order fee seems a bit costly then there's 50p packaging charge (thought the mail order fee would have covered this) plus minimum postage of £3.82 (signed for 2nd class). Still if you want these products it's the only place to go since C&L appear still to be having problems. A tip for my 4-SF (00SF) colleagues, I have used the EM check rail chairs on the turnouts of my latest layout with no problems. The Exactoscale track parts are available through the gauge societies (EMGS, Scalefour and Scale7) without the 10% mail order fee, and they have their own postage and packing charges. All you have to do is become a Member. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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