That's a deliberately unfortunate choice of phrase. I am an active modeller
Hatton's 66 is not in the shops yet, we are still looking at promotional material . Dare we mention the Heljan 17, and L+B tanks? Or the 14xx? All of them with issues that surfaced after release
Until it's actually out and people get their hands on it, we can't be certain its a winner, even if what's been revealed to date seems promising.
And we come back to the central issue - will it sell in sufficient volume to be a commercial success? Put another way , are enough people going to dump their existing Bachmann 66s and replace them with this ? Because this is not a vacant niche
If they don't - well Bachmann must have recovered their tooling costs and Hattons still have to
And when all's said and done the Hattons 66 is Bachmann's problem, not Hornby's. Anyone buying the ex Lima 66 isn't willing to pay top-dollar for the best model available
My point is simply that the jury's still out on the Hattons 66, - especially in terms of its commercial success - and will be until it is actually released. And I'm old enough to remember how similar comments were being made about how the Vi-Trains 37 would sink the Bachmann model
As for the rest, I remain sceptical that there is more being developed outside the Big 2 than there was 5 years ago, and very sceptical that it is going to be cheaper. The viability of premium models at premium prices is something I am ambivalent about - in an age of sharply rising costs and slowly contracting markets it's a risky strategy , and when the Germans went that way a decade or more ago , it ended badly
To use such premium priced models as an argument for deep discounting of Hornby is misleading. The Rapido Stirling Single isn't undercutting anyone on price
I think maybe your blurring across lines.
I’ll start with the easy one, I remember the Lima class 47 being announced and predictions to sink the Hornby one... back in the early 1980’s... 35 years later both are still with us, and even under 1 owner both tools were used within the last few years.
Just because a new tool is announced doesnt mean death of the old one.. Hornby have continued the 14xx, J94 even the class 55 despite newer competition. When the new type4/5 is inevitably announced this year i’m sure it wont alter Hornbys plans. I wouldnt be surprised if Bachmann & Hornbys class 66 continues too.
Whilst ive seen angst for Dapol, Oxford, Bachmann, Hornby and ViTrains as well as the Hattons 66 in just a few posts, there seems to be muted about Heljans class 25... can I ask, do you think the SLW 25 will become outdated at Heljan release, or the Bachmann release ?
Onto your comment of Lima 66’s.. well actually I do own some still, and some are quite collectible still, such as the uber rare HGK 66, and given its obscurity i doubt another will be made to replace it, despite competition in both HO and 00. I recently sold one Lima 66 for more than a Bachmann one i bought to replace it... I own a rake of Replica Intercity Exec stock for similar reasons.. i doubt i will get an RMB, FO and BCK from one manufacturer in the near future to make a matching rake in profile and colour tones... so ive upgraded the set i have by doing some modelling.
The hobby doesnt revolve around the latest and greatest, sometimes the oldest and lowest scrub up just as well.
I think the millstone preventing the hobby over heating and repeating Limas 3x new announcements monthly is down to common sense.. brexit is a major factor, related to £ stability. But there are other factors: prices might be rising, but in China factories are still closing... The UK isnt the only country cutting tooling for obscure prototypes, this is something newly achieveable in countries where the hobby demand was previously unthinkably small... for example I never would have thought i would own a pure PKP polish prototype class, yet in little over 5 years, I dont just have one.. I have 6 (sm42, eu06/7,et22,su45,et41) and multiple class variants too (ep09,sp45 etc) !! - and two manufacturers going head to head on the same one too !
The supply chain is restricted, demand is high, the UK has to take its place on the production line...
Manufacturers know this, so if they know something is going to take 3+ years.. why shout about it too early, as when they do.. everyone complains.
Edited by adb968008, 12 October 2018 - 00:58 .