sem34090 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) EDIT 08/10/2018 - Thread Title Changed to reflect new subject. The original query regarding Westinghouse frames is no longer relevant, I don't think, to the project but I may require assistance anyway. I'm afraid that I cannot offer many details regarding the project, but in short it involves the development of a piece of physical educational apparatus to explain the basic principles of signalling on a single line railway to a younger audience. Different, I know, but further posts from No.27 onward will hopefully make my ideas a bit clearer. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/137726-an-educational-display-on-signalling-was-westinghouse-l-type-miniature-lever-frames/page-2&do=findComment&comment=3324481 Hello to all - So, some of you may know me as a primarily pre-grouping modeller and as such may be surprised to see my username alongside such a modern piece of equipment as the Westinghouse type 'L' frame! It's all to do with a semi-personal project -in 12"/foot scale- which is set to possibly require either the creation of replica type-L parts or the purchase of an original type-L frame! Basically, if I've confused anyone with my waffle thus far, this is what I'm talking about, although whatever I do will be smaller, much smaller: (Image from Wikipedia - I believe it shows one of the Great Cockrow Railway's frames?) The project I'm intending to start work on will probably involve two frames, each up to probably about ten levers but certainly no more, most likely less: So, to actually get to the point - does anyone have any idea from whence I may possibly be able to source a Westinghouse frame, or perhaps even just parts of one? A strange post, I admit! Edited October 9, 2018 by sem34090 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2018 Whilst I can't help with acquiring an L Type frame only last night I was watching Locomaster Profiles DVD "Mersey Boxes" which includes the now defunct Liverpool Lime Street example being worked in all its polished glory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Wellyboots Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2018 Strange you should mention the L frames as I discovered a website dedicated to them last night. http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/index.htm At a guess it might be worth contacting the Bluebell Railway as they have fairly recently installed a L Frame at Kingscote. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Hello to all - So, some of you may know me as a primarily pre-grouping modeller and as such may be surprised to see my username alongside such a modern piece of equipment as the Westinghouse type 'L' frame! It's all to do with a semi-personal project -in 12"/foot scale- which is set to possibly require either the creation of replica type-L parts or the purchase of an original type-L frame! Basically, if I've confused anyone with my waffle thus far, this is what I'm talking about, although whatever I do will be smaller, much smaller: (Image from Wikipedia - I believe it shows one of the Great Cockrow Railway's frames?) The project I'm intending to start work on will probably involve two frames, each up to probably about ten levers but certainly no more, most likely less: So, to actually get to the point - does anyone have any idea from whence I may possibly be able to source a Westinghouse frame, or perhaps even just parts of one? A strange post, I admit! If you are seriously interested in L type frames or parts thereof I might be able to put you in touch with the man must likely to have, or be able to source, that which you seek. It won't be for a week or three as my son won't be working Everglades this coming weekend as he's away and therefore won't be seeing our contact but give me a nudge in a week's time and I will see what can be set in motion. Nice frame but don't forget that the L style is all electric. http://www.cockcrow.co.uk/page11.html Edited September 21, 2018 by The Stationmaster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 21, 2018 If it helps you to understand the L frame, Crewe Heritage Centre includes the former North box, which has an L frame, and there is usually a knowledgeable volunteer on hand to talk about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Kingscote, the Great Cockrow and Crewe are on my list of places to visit for the aforementioned project. Mike, you have a PM! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2018 Or have a chat with LNER-GE of the parish, he has one in his garden, and its a beast! The frames are huge, and seriously heavy too. Nice to operate mind, but can have some interesting faults! Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Ah. I may no longer have a requirement for one. We'll see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted September 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 21, 2018 To put you off even more, heres LNER-GE's Ely Dock Junction frame's page on the Westinghouse website, so you can see what goes into one. http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/Ely_Dock_Junction_L_Frame.html# Note that everything is big and heavy, and makes Metro-vick colourlight signal heads look flimsy (and the Metrovick hernias in four-aspect form are almost as heavy as an BMC A series engine!) Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2018 To put you off even more, heres LNER-GE's Ely Dock Junction frame's page on the Westinghouse website, so you can see what goes into one. http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/Ely_Dock_Junction_L_Frame.html# Note that everything is big and heavy, and makes Metro-vick colourlight signal heads look flimsy (and the Metrovick hernias in four-aspect form are almost as heavy as an BMC A series engine!) Andy G Very nice, a true labour of love. More woking levers than Everglades but perhaps not as busy - Everglades is laid out for working by two Signalmen and it really needs two on a normal running day although I have worked it single-handed on a fun day when booked service working was definitely not in mind (fortunately ). There is also a small L frame in use at Old Oak on the Spinney Railway although that line is not open to the public. i've only worked Bay Tree and Spinney 'boxes on that railway and they are very definitely not L frames! http://www.spinneylightrailway.co.uk/oldoak.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) The Westinghouse L frame is a truly magnificent piece of kit. Fun to restore, make work and play with. I have a one section spare consisting of the front circuit controller assembly, the bed casting to hold the electric locks, enough electric locks to be useful and a section of indicator fascia. It would be a real labour of love to make it work but it can be done. Oh and six lever pairs too. It would take a substantial offer for me to part with it though. All other parts i had went to the Bluebell project. Edit to add.. Mark's site is a bit out of date. Soham is now included in my plaything at home with key token working to Ely Dock and Tyer's GE one wire to Chippenham Junction. Edited September 22, 2018 by LNERGE 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Ironically, many years ago now I looked at buying a small part of an 'L' frame to use as a 'demonstrator', possibly in conjunction with a small model railway. A practical examination of one close-up soon convinced me that the size, weight and complexity of it was a hopeless idea with my limited resources - but don't let that put you off :-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 A twelve lever section complete weighs as much as a normal lever frame with the same number of lovers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 A twelve lever section complete weighs as much as a normal lever frame with the same number of lovers. Makes 'pulling one' take on a new meaning ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Oops missed that. I did meet the young lady who is now my wife whilst building it. Does that count? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Oops missed that. I did meet the young lady who is now my wife whilst building it. Does that count? You pulled, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 You pulled, then. Must have been the 'King' lever then...:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Must have been the 'King' lever then...:-) I wonder when he managed to insert his token. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I wonder when he managed to insert his token. Token working is a speciality of mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Token working is a speciality of mine. Good job it was not large ETS then.....:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 "Was it a fine instrument? Tyers?" Oh dear... ahem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 "Was it a fine instrument? Tyers?" Oh dear... ahem... Keep taking the Tablets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Keep taking the Tablets. Ideally not the 'square' ones.....:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 The staff here is right good... That's the ticket! Oh deary, dear... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) All that remains to be said is... Balls. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rangan-datta/8019841974 Edited October 2, 2018 by LNERGE 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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