RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2018 I’m wanting to build some alternative JGA wagons (ones Bachmann don’t produce). I have enclosed some pictures of the wagons I want to scratch build. I’m going to make the bodies and either make or adapt the chassis. The bogies are a type I don’t know (I’m not exactly knowledgeable about such things). Any info on the bogies and where to buy them or any other info such as dimensions or kits (I couldn’t find any) would be much appreciated. It might well be a long drawn out build but I really would like some. I also might end up buying a 3d printer to print the bogie and other bits required. The zoomed in bogie photo is of yet another JGA variant but the bogies are the same as the ex RMC orange ones in the other pics that I want to make. As I say any info would be very helpful. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Bogie is a y27 variant. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 4, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2018 Bogie is a y27 variant. Jon Thanks Jon. That’s a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The bogies are described in the book on Standard Railway Wagon Co Heywood Works as being Sambre-et-Meuse UIC cast steel Y25 primary suspension bogies fitted with TBL composition brake shoes. These were fitted to the original Hall Aggregates batch HALL 13700-712 later became RMC 13700-712 88T glw built 1984 and the follow on batch of 90T wagons for RMC Peakstone RMC 17201-224. HTH Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 4, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2018 The bogies are described in the book on Standard Railway Wagon Co Heywood Works as being Sambre-et-Meuse UIC cast steel Y25 primary suspension bogies fitted with TBL composition brake shoes. These were fitted to the original Hall Aggregates batch HALL 13700-712 later became RMC 13700-712 88T glw built 1984 and the follow on batch of 90T wagons for RMC Peakstone RMC 17201-224. HTH Paul Thanks. I have deduced that the bogies are fitted to the Bachmann intermodal wagons of which I have a spare pair. So the bogies are sorted. Now I could do with some dimensions and ideally a wagon to use as the chassis with tweaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Iirc Hornby do that bogie under the bogie ballast wagon. As for the body, iirc the n gauge group did a kit of it. Might be worth asking if they have the drawing for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 5, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2018 Iirc Hornby do that bogie under the bogie ballast wagon. As for the body, iirc the n gauge group did a kit of it. Might be worth asking if they have the drawing for it. That’s a good shout I will try and contact them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2018 Hi there, I think you'd be better off using the Hornby KFA as a donor for this bogie. Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 5, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2018 The KFA ones do look perfect but not available as spares as far as I can see. Just bought some of these as they were readily available. I can modify the ends to have the cross arms easily enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharrc20 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 It is up to you but those Bachmann ones aren't really the right design. Have you tried S-Kits whitemetal bogies. I haven't got a list to hand but I think he used to make the cast SeM Y25s in his range. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9502 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Hi Andy AFAIK Bachmann cover the Tatrastroj Poprad batch built in Slovakia in 1997. I have partially built two of the curved Standard Wagon type and a single straight bodied RFS Industries type last Xmas. There is a drawing in the Ian Allan wagons book of the curved type thats to 1:76 scale. I might have taken photos during the build but I laid out the sole bars (Plastruct) on graph paper and taped them down and glued everything together to ensure they were parallel, I then glued in the vertical ribs/dividers. Then after trial and error using a paper template to determine the height of the curved panel (sides) and glued the sides one at a time to the vertical pieces, mine bowed with the liquid poly cement (this was the hardest part!). The ends parts including air brake protection shield, ladder, lugs etc were made using photo reference (Martyn Read and Andy Jupe - thanks gents!). The bogies were from S-Kits, I think they have Stenson Models etched brass frames. Buffers from S-Kits. I still haven't done the hopper chutes underneath. Transfers from John Peck and Railtec. HALL 13700 - 13712 1984 Standard Wagon Heywood curved RMC 17201 - 17224 1986 Standard Wagon curved RMC 17225 - 17249 1990 RFS industries Doncaster straight RMC 19220 - 19246 1997 Tatrastroj Poprad Slovakia Bachmann Hope this helps? I built the straight bodied variant using the same technique. Its really important that you get the solebar frame flat and square otherwise the side will be skewed I found it easier to build the "base" and build upwards.Bogies come last. Ignore the cr#p in the photo I'll see if I can sort out something better. regards Rich. Edited October 9, 2018 by D9502 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 9, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2018 Wow that’s great help. I think I will make the sides out of aluminium (alloy) which I can roll at work to get the right curve. I also might make the chassis out of alloy. If I have any questions after I start, I know who I’m coming to! Yours are looking great btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted October 31, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2018 Bit of an update. I have made all three (complete wagons) main body parts now. Friday I should have the first one finally shaped and fitted to the chassis with the correct bogies fitted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted November 8, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2018 The first wagon is nearly finished. Based on the chassis of the Bachmann JGA with lots of mods. I have retained the weights as body to chassis fixings and the massively modified bogies mount on the original points. The wagon is very strong and it really looks the part. It’s been fun and not too taxing but requires plenty of specialist equipment to make in metal like mine. I can’t wait until it’s in primer at the weekend. Just needs all the pipes and hand rails bending and fitting (Friday night job). Any comments most welcome. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy7 Posted November 12, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2018 I have a question. Would anyone know the correct orange paint to buy off the shelf for these? Or will I need to mix my own. Thanks Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Really nice scratchbuild Andy, a rake doesn't look right without the variety! As for the orange, there's a real variety when you look down a set. Even two of the same style have varying shades. I'd suggest pick a prototype and go lighter/ darker compared to what you already have as required. Jo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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