class 419 MLV and van train

[SovietSalad]

hello all,

so I've been doing some reading on the class 419, and found a website that said one was used on van trains from Bricklayers Arms to Epsom, and I was wondering if anyone had any information on this.

 

Namely, what the formation of the train would have been (or would likely have been)? I'm assuming it was 12 ton vans, but would the train have run with a brake van? If so, would it have been a standard BR 20 ton brake van or something else?

 

The website I am referencing is this one here, some interesting stuff on there. http://www.bloodandcustard.com/mlv001.html

 

TIA

[DY444]

hello all,

so I've been doing some reading on the class 419, and found a website that said one was used on van trains from Bricklayers Arms to Epsom, and I was wondering if anyone had any information on this.

 

Namely, what the formation of the train would have been (or would likely have been)? I'm assuming it was 12 ton vans, but would the train have run with a brake van? If so, would it have been a standard BR 20 ton brake van or something else?

 

The website I am referencing is this one here, some interesting stuff on there. http://www.bloodandcustard.com/mlv001.html

 

TIA

 

"Vans" in the context of MLV tail loads was in most cases BGs or other NPCCS rather than freight vans.

[Oldddudders]

I don't remember the Epsom job, but there was a nightly working of an MLV ECS Vic E to East Croydon, where it attached vans in the dock and took them to London Bridge. I believe, although do not remember, that this working was in the early '70s extended to Redhill. As said above, these would have been parcels vans, rather than vanfits. 

[Mike Storey]

I don't know about the Epsom run, but I do know that MLV's were used in Kent to tow up to three (perhaps four) CCT's in the mid to late 1980's. These were newspaper trains primarily, and the CCT's were hauled by Class 33's/73's previously.

[Nearholmer]

Yes, I regularly used to see the East Croydon 'shunt about'  of the train mentioned by OD, which did indeed go on to Redhill, and the load was typical 'parcels vans', anything from among GUV, CCT, PMV, Siphon G, BG etc The MLV might have two or three in tow arriving and departing. It used to be at EC c2100.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Nearholmer

[br2975]

Perhaps the attached may help, taken from the 1985-1986 WTT and associated CWNs.

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Brian R

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MLV workings 1985-1986.xls

[Fat Controller]

No need for a goods brake van on a fully-fitted train by this date.

[Wickham Green]

If you want something different,  MLVs were hauling water tanks around east Kent in 1992 !

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Wickham Green

[SED Freightman]

No details of the B Arms to Epsom working unfortunately, however the Central Division Station Summaries commencing 02/05/1977 show the following MLV workings which also tie up with the earlier comments by Oldddudders and Nearholmer.

 

Monday to Friday

 

MLV ex Berth to Victoria Plat.2

0425 Shunt Victoria Plat.2 to Victoria Plat.16 arr.0430

0448 Mails Victoria Plat.16 to Redhill arr.0523

0537 Ety Redhill to London Bridge Plat.7 arr.0606

0632 (Mail or parcels?) London Bridge Plat.7 to Charing Cross - I think this may then have been attached to a Dover service

 

2022 Ety Stewarts Lane to Victoria Plat.11 arr.2032

2115 Mails Victoria Plat.11 to Redhill arr.2209 - Called at East Croydon 2132 to 2152 to attach 1 CCT for Crewe & 1 CCT for Leeds

2218 (Mail or Parcels?) Redhill to Victoria Plat.7 arr.2258

MLV to Berth from Victoria Plat.7

 

Saturday

 

MLV ex Berth to Victoria Plat.2

0425 Shunt Victoria Plat.2 to Victoria Plat.16 arr.0430

0448 Mails Victoria Plat.16 to Redhill arr.0523

0537 Ety Redhill to London Bridge Plat.7 arr.0605

0642 (Mail or parcels?) London Bridge Plat.7 to Charing Cross

[ColinK]

If you want something different,  MLVs were hauling water tanks around east Kent in 1992 !

Please tell us more.

[br2975]

Please tell us more.

 

I believe Chart Leacon depot is/was served by it's own wells, which were effected by a drought, and water was 'bussed in' using tank wagons,  hauled by a MLV.

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I'm sure a more detailed explanation will follow, from someone with better knowledge than I

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Brian R

[DY444]

Please tell us more.

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/43622-mlv-pre-production-shots/page-7&do=findComment&comment=705290

[ColinK]

Wow, that is a prototype for everything. Gives me another reason to run my MLV.

[Wickham Green]

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/43622-mlv-pre-production-shots/page-7&do=findComment&comment=705290

Two MLVs with one tank or ....

Edited November 6, 2018 by Wickham Green

[SED Freightman]

I believe Chart Leacon depot is/was served by it's own wells, which were effected by a drought, and water was 'bussed in' using tank wagons,  hauled by a MLV.

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I'm sure a more detailed explanation will follow, from someone with better knowledge than I

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Brian R

 

The well was located in the yard at  Dover Priory and the regular water tank workings were to Ramsgate Depot, that is not to say they did not operate to Chart Leacon but I do not recall them doing so.  I recall an occasion when the loaded train came to a stand on Guston Bank, due to adhesion problems or maybe over loading, anyway after a short delay someone hit upon the idea of simply letting some of the water out and once the load had been sufficiently reduced the train continued to Ramesgate without further incident.

[class37418stag]

Hello everyone 

 

I know class 419 MLV running for 20 between 30mins by batteries while no live of third and how far run by short distance of miles ?

 

 Thank you 

[phil-b259]

On 06/11/2018 at 06:13, br2975 said:

 

I believe Chart Leacon depot is/was served by it's own wells, which were effected by a drought, and water was 'bussed in' using tank wagons,  hauled by a MLV.

 

 

Not so!

 

The issue was that due to the drought there were extensive restrictions on mains water usage during the hot summers of 1991 and 1992. This translated not only into things like hosepipe and sprinkler bans for householders, but industrial users and establishments like car washes increasingly found themselves closed or subject to restrictions on water use. On British Rail, most carriage washing plants were fed from the domestic water supply and as such quickly found themselves being put out of use as restrictions were bought in.

 

However, as noted by others, in Dover British Rail did in fact have access to their own well dating from when the Southern Railway dug it to supply their new locomotive shed in the 1930s and permission to extract water from it had never been rescinded.

 

As complaints mounted about the state of the EMU fleet from commuters (most of which were MK1 based and fitted with traditional tread brakes that tended to coat the sides in dust and grime) NSE hit upon the idea of using this well to source water for carriage washing plants like Ramsgate that had been cut off from the mains supply. MLVs were used to haul the water tanks from Dover as they were generally underutilised by the 1990s and thus presented a very economical proposition haulage wise.

Edited March 12, 2021 by phil-b259