paul 27 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 D326 required for haulage then? Phil And with ex Lms Postals not mk1s. I do hope these are going to be produced in the original 60s royal mail red to match there Sorting vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic79 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I wrote an email of complaint to Bachmann on the livery debacle and received the same copy/paste response from them as shown in posts above. Whilst I didn't expect anything different, I feel I needed to speak up and add weight to the argument against the change and perhaps help to influence future decisions. After all, that's what's got the livery amended in the first place. Though I do hope they've not been speaking with Oxford Rail's Mk.3 livery "expert" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 And with ex Lms Postals not mk1s. I do hope these are going to be produced in the original 60s royal mail red to match there Sorting vans. I thought we established up-thread that this design of POT was introduced too late for Royal Mail red. If they can be thus decorated, authentically, then I'll happily re-spray a brace of them, if they're available cut-price. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2018 Agreeing with CHARD, these POTs were built to Diagram 732 and completed in November 1968, so too late for the original Royal Mail red - unless of course you apply Rule 1b. all the best Godfrey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Maybe someone can help me, ive got the new POTs (39-750,760,765) and i have previously two POS’s to go with them. However i’m missing something when it comes to Bachmanns releases... Usually catalog numbers in Bachmanns ranges are consecutive when it comes to a coach, and its liveries, with A,B,C, W,Z etc for re-runs and specials. When looking at the Royal Mail liveried POS, i see three seemingly unrelated catalog numbers... 39-420z (Modelzone) https://www.hattons.co.uk/36325/Bachmann_Branchline_39_420Z_Mk1_TPO_sorting_van_with_in_Royal_Mail_Travelling_Post_Office_branding/StockDetail.aspx 39-422 https://www.hattons.co.uk/337577/Bachmann_Branchline_39_422_Mk1_POS_post_office_sorting_van_in_Royal_Mail_Travelling_Post_Office_livery/StockDetail.aspx 39-435 https://www.hattons.co.uk/38511/Bachmann_Branchline_39_435_BR_Mk1_POS_Post_Office_Sorting_Van_in_Royal_Mail_Travelling_Post_Office_Red_/StockDetail.aspx Now i’m looking at them, and to my eye, i see three identical coaches, same livery bar the numbers. Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what i am missing ? Edited November 14, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted November 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2018 Maybe someone can help me, ive got the new POTs (39-750,760,765) and i have previously two POS’s to go with them. I have 39-420z Modelzone which is numbered 80305 and 39-435 which is numbered 80301. I could be wrong on this, but coming late to the model railway scene, and buying these second hand, I just assumed that one (435) was a general release of a previously issued Modelzone exclusive. A bit like when they did the Sealink Mk1 SK last year as a general release, having previously done the collectors club twin pack. Wasn't aware of 39-422. That's another one I'll need to track down for my Royal Mail fleet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Just to weigh in on the delivery debate, i decided to wade into the family archives on this one. It would appear the weight of history is on Bachmanns side with the POT release. From top to bottom.. 1. Latest POT release 2. Lima GUV 3. Bachmann 39-184 4. Replica BG 5. Bachmann 39-435 The brightest one, is the odd one out. The POS is indeed very yellow compared to earlier Bachmann, Replica and Limas Royal Mail yellow renditions. With apologies to WH Auden, I delibrately applied Rule 1, and avoided controversial liveries on locos in this video.. well almost. Edited November 14, 2018 by adb968008 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Well that video made me smile. Thanks Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 15, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) That post with all those mailbags hanging off it isn't very authentic... :-) Very interesting comparison of the yellow stripes. My memories are of something in between, but seeing them all moving together makes the two yellow lines of the Bachmann POS merge together to accentuate their brightness, whereas on the BGs and GUVs the yellow still looks like two separate lines. Strange that there should be such a difference - the bright lines started with Modelzone's limited editions and they were always pretty good at getting the colours correct. Edited November 15, 2018 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 15, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) I have 39-420z Modelzone which is numbered 80305 and 39-435 which is numbered 80301. I could be wrong on this, but coming late to the model railway scene, and buying these second hand, I just assumed that one (435) was a general release of a previously issued Modelzone exclusive. A bit like when they did the Sealink Mk1 SK last year as a general release, having previously done the collectors club twin pack. Wasn't aware of 39-422. That's another one I'll need to track down for my Royal Mail fleet. It's not the first time Bachmann has used different number series for the same coach/van. The BR blue MK1 GUV started as 39-272 then after a number of letter variants was released as 39-277. In the case of the POS, the only obvious difference I can see between 39-422 and 39-435 is that 39-422 is labelled as an NSX (dual braked, the same as 39-420Z) whereas 39-435 is an NSV (T). Presumably this affects the underframe tooling (no air brakes) so has a different product number? Edited November 15, 2018 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 That is a very interesting comparison, out of all of them I'd say the Replica version looked closest to the colours as I'd remember them. The POS is probably a bit too bright lemon yellow where the yellow should probably be closer to front warning panel yellow. The POT colours there dont look as bad as the earlier more gold looking photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) That post with all those mailbags hanging off it isn't very authentic... :-) I’ll report it to the head foreman, (its managed by my 8 year daughter), its actually working, I was going to run a mail drop in the video. If you look closely shes placed people on the footbridge, signal gantry and ontop of the mail drop (train enthusiasts waiting to see it). I have a working motorail, coal load hopper and container loader all from my child hood... worked in me, and its working on her. Her no1 ask is a coach with removable roof, so she can add / remove passengers at stations... Edited November 15, 2018 by adb968008 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) can those that have purchased a POT could you check the bogies please and confirm if they by any chance have pre-fitted pick ups for lighting? I am just wondering whether these are the same as fitted to the Mk2f coaches (as the non DCC coaches even have have the same pre fitted bogies for retro fitting of lighting). Not sure if the bogies on the POT are the same as the Mk2f B5. appreciate the POTs only have very tiny windows but they were mainly worked overnight so retro fitting a couple of LEDs inside could be cool. thanks Edited November 15, 2018 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Don't have an answer for the POT's but reply to the part off the same question here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69220-Bachmann-announce-mk2fs/?p=3366860 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
75B Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 can those that have purchased a POT could you check the bogies please and confirm if they by any chance have pre-fitted pick ups for lighting? I am just wondering whether these are the same as fitted to the Mk2f coaches (as the non DCC coaches even have have the same pre fitted bogies for retro fitting of lighting). Not sure if the bogies on the POT are the same as the Mk2f B5. appreciate the POTs only have very tiny windows but they were mainly worked overnight so retro fitting a couple of LEDs inside could be cool. thanks I have 39-755, the Blue & Grey POT and there are no pickups fitted. The bogies are B5 (short swing arm), but do not have the hydraulic dampers that the Mk2f’s have and are definitely a different moulding. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) I have 39-755, the Blue & Grey POT and there are no pickups fitted. The bogies are B5 (short swing arm), but do not have the hydraulic dampers that the Mk2f’s have and are definitely a different moulding. Keith Past history would suggest that Bachmann will at some point sell its B5 bogies separately in a pack. But are the Mk2fs fitted with B5s or B4s? Edited November 16, 2018 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted November 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 16, 2018 The Mk2f’s have B4 bogies with the hydraulic dampers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 The Mk2f’s have B4 bogies with the hydraulic dampers. And there's more to the POT's than meets the eye - see http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69220-Bachmann-announce-mk2fs/page-40&do=findComment&comment=3366860 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 I have still to find a photograph of a prototype stowage van with dull stripes and logos... Therefore I have been looking at ways of improving the livery. I bought two transfer sheets from Fox Transfers which have excellent looking Royal Mail logos etc but the yellow stripes are noticeably narrower than the ones on the model. These will look out of place in a rake with sorting vans with the bright yellow factory applied stripes. Fox can do custom made stripes to order but this is starting to become expensive just to restore the models to the correct livery. I have considered airbrushing the stripes but the masking to obtain straight stripes is a daunting prospect. Also, the red line between the yellow stripes is very narrow. Looks to be about 0.2mm but I haven't measured it accurately yet. Does anyone out there have a solution please? I just want the stowage vans to have stripes of the same colour and width as the sorting vans. I am considering a full re spray of the body sides prior to applying decals. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) Don’t know if anyone has done a comparison of the Blue and Grey POT with the Blue and Grey POS (39-425) yet. Apologies if it’s already been done but here it is. Colours match nicely. Royal Mail crest is a slightly lighter Gold on the POT than the POS but not too different to stand out massively. Very pleased. 66738 Edited November 20, 2018 by 66738 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) ^^^^ different wheelsets? Edited November 20, 2018 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravensdmufan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Don’t know if anyone has done a comparison of the Blue and Grey POT with the Blue and Grey POS (39-425) yet. Apologies if it’s already been done but here it is. Colours match nicely. Royal Mail crest is a slightly lighter Gold on the POT than the POS but not too different to stand out massively. Very pleased. 66738 5DAD1385-6EAA-44A0-A60A-EECCF9B24C0A.jpeg Your blue and grey POT looks very nice indeed. I must get one myself from my local model shop next week. Thanks for posting the comparison photograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 ^^^^ different wheelsets?Yes, Simon Bendall posted on the 9th of November that the new POT is on the new correct B5 Bogies. The POS should also be on B5’s but Bachmann did not tool them up at the time and stuck incorrect B4’s under as a stand in.66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Your blue and grey POT looks very nice indeed. I must get one myself from my local model shop next week. Thanks for posting the comparison photograph. No problem. 66738 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 they look like BR1s to me....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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