5Bel Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Wow!!, That really is very good. About time us 3rd rail fans had something to shout about. Hopefully the underframes will be available as spares, especially the bogies. If the 2Epb is as good as this I am going to be skint! I will have to get on with my DC Kits version now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hi All, Only 7101-7104 were prototypes, the "production" units up to 7110 were allocated to BI for central division work. Very infuriating at the time for us very young SED based trainspotters :icon_mutter: They could certainly work with 33/1's and did on occasion. Shortage of DEMU's on the Ashford- hastings line being one instance. and during the 1986 snow - I both travelled in and worked trains formed of 4-CEP's hauled by 47/3's & 56's :icon_smile: There is an EXCELLENT web-site at http://www.scot.scotshome.com/cepunits/ - not sure about them being the finest DC electric units (especially after re-furbishing) BUT they would certainly do 100mph when pushed :icon_thumbsup2: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxswain Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Very,very nice. My wallet took one look and legged it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Bus Driver Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 When I was at college I used to catch what was usually formed of usually 2 4CEPs. It was the 0800 Brighton - Basingstoke which then headed up to Waterloo. It was something different to the usual CIGs and VEPs, although they sometimes turned up on this service too. Happy days. I shall be purchasing a Modelzone blue unit and/or a Blue/grey unit, although that green one looks sweet, especially with the wooden shoe beams. I must heartily congratulate Bachmann on these and it means I'm looking forward to the 2-EPB even more... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaNkStOnEbRoAdWaY Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 They look very nice. "Dear Santa.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 12, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2009 Wow, wow and thrice wow. My planned shunting plank may have to acquire some third rail and a substation at this rate.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Most tasty indeed... almost enough to make me add a Southern/SR component to my GWR/WR layout. Nonetheless, even if I do remain resolutley a GWR man, I may just end up adding one to my layout as it looks (from the photos) such a superb model. The green I find much more fitting a livery than the blue/grey (to my taste the BR "Corporate" livery only seemed to work well on few items of rolling stock) Now if Bachmann (or Hornby) could come up with a Class 305 or Class 306, the much neglected ER modeller would be a happy bunny (and I'd finlly get to make my model of Gidea Park station in the 60s) F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Was the commonwealth bogie under the trailers and inner ends of the driving cars something added at refurb? Or did any of the originals also run with them? I presume this was to try and improve the running qualities. I feel there is a whole other level of wow factor to come when someone does a subtle weathering job on one - although I can remember them looking smart they usually had a lovely work-a-day grubby appearance much of the time and that wonderfully detailed cab end is going to carry the grot beautifully. Raphael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 13, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2009 Wow! Looks like I'm going to have to buy one. But Blue/Grey I remember travelling on or Green to fit my modelling period...? The Green looks pretty good - pity the Bachmann Mk1s aren't this colour - or do the eye and photo combine to deceive? My layout is DCC. I haven't read anything yet, so does anyone know if the functions (lights etc.) on the CEP will work with one decoder, or will two (both driving cars) or three (centre powered car plus driving cars) be needed? Andrew EDIT: The always helpful Richard at Bachmann has confirmed only one decoder is needed. Good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Was the commonwealth bogie under the trailers and inner ends of the driving cars something added at refurb? Or did any of the originals also run with them? I presume this was to try and improve the running qualities. I feel there is a whole other level of wow factor to come when someone does a subtle weathering job on one - although I can remember them looking smart they usually had a lovely work-a-day grubby appearance much of the time and that wonderfully detailed cab end is going to carry the grot beautifully. Raphael Before refurbishment, only the later batches had commonwealth bogies - i.e. 7154 upwards, and 7013 upwards for the 4-BEPs. 7153 was the prototype refurbishment, and as such had CW bogies. As new, 7153 would presumably not have had CW bogies, as it wasn't part of the later batches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hmmm .. mine (plain green) will get converted to P4 anyway so any bogie/number mismatches can be sorted out then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 13, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2009 Delighted to see this model now so close to actual production. Not clear if there will be a version without any yellow on the ends, as I recall them in the early '60s when they began to supplant the Cor-Buf-Cor formations on the Mid-Sussex fasts. Yes, the CEPs were smashing units, or seemed so to young spotters at the time. Very early units - probably up to 7110, maybe only 7104 - had painted window frames, and these were still this way into the blue, maybe blue-and-grey eras. I think, typical of their era, the buffet cars of the BEPs always had Commonwealth bogies. Does Bachmann have something it could dust down to produce such a vehicle? I think the CEPs were the last new SR units to have shoebeams, rather than the cantilever fitments of later types. The shoebeam might have been primitive, but it was just what the driver wanted on an icy morning, when the unsprung weight would shift ice off the con rail. The cantilever design tended to lift over the ice, effectively gapping that coach. If this model sells well, there may be more SR EMUs to be had. If not, even the 2EPB may be shelved, I fear. Thus, I find it very comforting in this thread that detailed forensic exams are under way to identify third rail on e.g. the Somerset & Dorset! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Not clear if there will be a version without any yellow on the ends, Hi Ian - yes, that's what I've ordered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I think, typical of their era, the buffet cars of the BEPs always had Commonwealth bogies. Yes, quite right, missed that detail in my earlier post. The older BEPs had CW bogies only on the buffet car, and the newer BEPs had CW throughout apart from the motor bogies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsie Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 That is one seriously good looking unit. I've always had fond memories of anything southern from when we used to travel to my grandparents by train from London Bridge to Lee, and seeing them at L Bridge, later on working at London Bridge on the railway. Seriously tempted to bin the OHLE and go southern with that unit, would save years of work. God, decisions decisions....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 14, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2009 That is one seriously good looking unit. Even so, it will only be a matter of time before some clever-clogs manages to modify one to be even better! Who's for an opening stretcher window? Then there's the dubious sealing on the double glazing, with ponding between the panes - 4mm goldfish, anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I always remember admiring them in green travelling through Petts Wood, usually as three units plus two MLVs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabdiel Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 This is going to be very very difficult to avoid buying, Despite knowing that I'd end up ripping the thing apart and converting it to a refurb... I look forward to seeing that project! I'd like a refurb one too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium zarniwhoop Posted October 14, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hi Ian - yes, that's what I've ordered I see from one of the mags that the all-green version will have a whistle. I can remember seeing a CEP at Hove in about 1964 (at that time, I didn't know what it was - all the local units I'd ever seen had domed cabs). For me, this raises a question - when did the whistles get replaced by horns ? I'd like to one day model circa 1964 (scope for DEMUs and perhaps kettles), but for the moment my third-rail plans are for 1970-72. So far, I've only got one (blue-grey) on order, I'm a bit worried about reports that they have special couplings within the unit - I'm good at breaking things, and my stock mostly lives in boxes. ??en Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWT442 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Looking seriously good. Not my era but i'm definatley going to get one in blue grey! Hopefully it'll sell well and pave the way for more EMU's. (Hopefully a 442! ) Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard brown Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I want one, this train is one off the reason I am rebuilding the water tank line so I can run it with a third rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarnham Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Dear Bachmann, Please shrink to N gauge and produce! Full marks and congratulations to them for making such a top model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedmaster Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hellfire indeed ! Think I'll need one for Stewarts Lane..........maybe use b&w photo to backdate it a little.............most impressive ! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Had an e mail from Hattons who were passing on info from Bachmann about the way to connect the cars to make sure it all works properly. It also says arriving in stock late November Early December. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Late November early December, huh? Very strange, considering what's been sitting in the warehouse for many months now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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