Never saw this in Southampton High Street

[PhilH]

More street running

[Penlan]

Very Nice, the horses seem to be under reasonable control as well.

 

TIC - Is that a magnetic uncoupler in the nearest track, bottom/centre picture.....

 

BTW, Is that above or below BarGate?

[LSWR]

You just weren't around at the time to see the LSWR boat trains run along Canute Road and Town Quay from the Terminus to the Royal Pier. (It's below Bargate) The good citizens of Syracuse never had a Bargate for the trams to run through either. Note the trolley wire arrangement at the top of the picture.

[BR60103]

If it's really the Empire State Express running through Syracuse, it would be like the Flying Scotsman going down Doncaster's main street (or the one by the station, anyway).

[PhilH]

You just weren't around at the time to see the LSWR boat trains run along Canute Road and Town Quay from the Terminus to the Royal Pier. (It's below Bargate) The good citizens of Syracuse never had a Bargate for the trams to run through either. Note the trolley wire arrangement at the top of the picture.

 

I was actually, born in '49. The boat trains that I saw used to go mainly just across Canute Road to get to the Ocean Terminal for the Cunarders, only ever saw goods trains trundling around the Royal Pier and across the top of it to get from the old to the new docks (or vice versa).

[Penlan]

Although I have a few photo's of the south end of the D,N&S line, I never got to photo anything below Bargate, in fact I don't remember any of the rail action by the docks, I was around there in the late 50's and certainly clubbing in So'ton through the early/mid 60's.

 

I do recall the late train from So'ton back to Winchester had to go via So'ton Terminus, and by the time the mail was loaded etc., I was asleep, often waking up at Woking, a few hours there before catching the milk train!!! back to Winchester, breakfast and onto work....

[asmay2002]

More street running

 

The final run through the streets of Syracuse was in September 1936 by which time the locos were J class 4-6-4s..............

 

Andy May

[CraigZ]

The final run through the streets of Syracuse was in September 1936 by which time the locos were J class 4-6-4s..............

 

Andy May

 

True indeed...that was the NYC's main line. Staufer's NYC books have a number of images of Hudsons strolling down the street there...

[298]

Street Running.....

 

Why can't all the fictional layouts on the UK exhibition circuit include a bit of street running, a'la Weymouth Quay or Preston Docks....? Those Americans have been positively spoilt.

[PhilH]

Another one.

[eldavo]

That's a cracking photo. Like it.

 

Cheers

Dave

[Foulounoux]

 

 

BTW, Is that above or below BarGate?

 

I'd love to have seen that try and get through Bargate - would have made a change from the tight fit tram photos.

 

Colin

[Brian Harrap]

Street Running.....

 

Why can't all the fictional layouts on the UK exhibition circuit include a bit of street running, a'la Weymouth Quay or Preston Docks....? Those Americans have been positively spoilt.

Have you not had a chance to see QUAI:87?

[PhilH]

Have you not had a chance to see QUAI:87?

 

I have.....

[melmerby]

I have.....

 

How about a layout based on the Glasgow Tramway as it ran alongside the Clyde shipyards. Didn't they run goods trains along it?

 

Keith

[Pacific231G]

How about a layout based on the Glasgow Tramway as it ran alongside the Clyde shipyards. Didn't they run goods trains along it?

 

Keith

 

ISTR that the Glasgow tramways were to a slightly odd gauge so that SG rolling stock would run in the fairly shallow tramway groove on their flanges. I don't know whether this was to allow goods into the yards and factories or to move completet locos to the docks.

 

There was street running of passenger trains in the US until fairly recently. Two Amtrak trains each way ran down Fifth Street in Lafayette Indiana until the early 1990s and there were a couple of other places where this happened. Freight trains in the streets of American towns seem still to be not that unusual.

 

David

[BR60103]

Of interest in photo 9011 (the second one) is the cage over the trolley wire. This was a precaution in case the trolley pole left the wire -- it would catch in the cage which was electrified and continue past the steam railway tracks.

[melmerby]

ISTR that the Glasgow tramways were to a slightly odd gauge so that SG rolling stock would run in the fairly shallow tramway groove on their flanges. I don't know whether this was to allow goods into the yards and factories or to move completet locos to the docks.

 

 

David

 

I believe the gauge was four feet seven & three-quarters of an inch because of the different back to back measurement of tramway wheels and normal railway wheels of the same track gauge.

On a normal railway the flanges should not make contact with the railhead except on points etc due to the coned profile of the wheel tread, this does not seem to be the case with trams.

 

I understand that they were for goods transfer between the various establishments on the route.

 

Keith

[F-UnitMad]

There was street running of passenger trains in the US until fairly recently. ... Freight trains in the streets of American towns seem still to be not that unusual.

 

There still is; Jack London Square, Oakland, California is one famous place...

http://www.rail-videos.net/video/view.php?id=8471

 

One possibility for the prevalence of Street-running in the US is that the Railroad was often there first; towns and cities grew up around the tracks (or developed at the same time, with a convienient "grid" street plan), unlike in UK & Europe where when the Railways were built, had to fit into towns and cities that had already existed for hundreds of years, or more...

[eldavo]

Blimey those trains aren't exactly hanging about trundling to and from Jack London square! No way they are going to stop for a confused automobile driver.

 

Cheers

Dave

[Michael Delamar]

have a look at the shot near the bottom of this page of the railway than ran down the street to the RAF at Farnborough.

 

it also features in the DVD classic railway newsreels

 

http://www.svsfilm.com/nineelms/jlm.htm

 

Mike

[PhilH]

Blimey those trains aren't exactly hanging about trundling to and from Jack London square! No way they are going to stop for a confused automobile driver.

 

Cheers

Dave

 

Steam locos take it a bit more

- still impressive though (it does get to the camera eventually!)

 

If you've got some time there's loads of street running vids on youtube - I particularly like the 'street corner' quaintness of

[298]

Steam locos take it a bit more

- still impressive though (it does get to the camera eventually!)

 

 

I never got a Police Escort when I drove a Union Pacific loco along a street...

[melmerby]

 

One possibility for the prevalence of Street-running in the US is that the Railroad was often there first; towns and cities grew up around the tracks (or developed at the same time, with a convienient "grid" street plan), unlike in UK & Europe where when the Railways were built, had to fit into towns and cities that had already existed for hundreds of years, or more...

 

But why incorporate the rail tracks in the road or the other way round when the town is expanding from nothing? You could avoid doing it entirely.

The fact that the road system/town is already there with little or no room for a separate rail track is surely a better argument for putting the tracks down the road in Europe?

 

Keith

[Foulounoux]

But why incorporate the rail tracks in the road or the other way round when the town is expanding from nothing? You could avoid doing it entirely.

The fact that the road system/town is already there with little or no room for a separate rail track is surely a better argument for putting the tracks down the road in Europe?

 

Keith

 

Keith

 

Main Street would have grown up either side of the tracks hence the result tracks down the middle. So buildings either side of the track and as the vehicles changed from stagecoach/horses to cars the tarmac would have been added.

 

Colin