RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted October 8, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thought this might be of interest to steam types Just noticed on Hattons website (looking to see if their Kestrels had arrived) and saw that the Clan is now listed as being in stock yet. Not got any photos up yet, but I suspect on past performance they will be added tomorrow.... It is Clan Buchanan which is available first (I'm sure that means more to you than to me!!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 9, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2009 looking to see if their Kestrels had arrived Hmm, interested in one of those, then? Will we see a P4-ed Kestral winging it's way around TT2 sometime? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted October 9, 2009 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hmm, interested in one of those, then? Will we see a P4-ed Kestral winging it's way around TT2 sometime? Not any more, after looking at the photos & reports by people who had already received theirs I decided that for me it wasnt up to the standard I wanted & cancelled my order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 10, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2009 Not any more, after looking at the photos & reports by people who had already received theirs I decided that for me it wasnt up to the standard I wanted & cancelled my order. I think I'm more interested in why you were after a loco from that era in the first place! Could this be the blossoming of some 'historical modelling' for the Fatadder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendboy Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Hi. Must be missing something then, becase I think the Clan is pretty good model. Looks good enough to me, and runs really nicely, even using the standard Hornby decoder. I was a bit dubious at first, wondering if I could pick out the differences from the Britannia with my dodgy mince's, but it looks nicely proportioned and stands out from the Brit quite nicely. But then, that's just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Must be missing something then, because I think the Clan is pretty good model. The previous discussion might have been directed at the Kestrel, not the Clan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendboy Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Thank goodness for that. I thought my eyes were deceiving me. Although, come to think of it, I have a Kestrel on order, so it may not be good news after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hmm amazing how a thread about kettles got overtaken by a one off Diesel !! I noticed on MRE yesterday that Simon Kholer said the first examples were due to hit the shops soon! (Not that Ive any use for one of these good locos whatsoever, but would love an excuse to run one anyway on New Hey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Thank goodness for that. I thought my eyes were deceiving me. Although, come to think of it, I have a Kestrel on order, so it may not be good news after all. Don't worry about it mate, I like my Kestrel very much. Like all reasonable RTR it's not perfect, but it can easily be improved if you want, by relatively small actions like opening out the horns with a small drill bit and highlighting the roof details with some restrained washes. Rich has picked up on these issues along with a mould line that would take a bit of trickery to remove. None of these valid observations are killers though, and the model is still excellent. Rich on the other hand isn't an easy bloke to impress! Waiting for my own Clan to arrive with a growing sense of anticipation though! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I saw one yesterday, and it does look very fine. The ponytruck detail is very good, almost like it is articulated! Is there going to be a model of the year poll on this new site? N Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I'd be interested to hear what isn't up to 'standard' with it. It should be just a replacement body as the tenders and chassis can come from the Britannia, which is what is known in the hobby as 'accurate'. Hattons pics seem to capture the look of the prototype, but I've not yet seen one first hand. Paul- I believe Fatadder's comments were directed at the Kestrel, not the Clan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrobuscp Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I received my Clan yesterday, from Hattons. Looks good, runs and pulls well - as per the Brits. One minor query, the instructions refer to a "bag of coal" as included with the Brits, and to a tender vac pipe. Both of these were missing from the box. Have others received these bits? Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffers Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Likewise no bag of coal or rear vac piupe. Thought it was just me. Obviously not. Now a Clan on the S&D - well just for testing purposes of course given that the SR batch of 72010 to 72014 (never built) was rumoured to be heading for Bath Green Park. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahill Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I received my Clan yesterday, from Hattons. Looks good, runs and pulls well - as per the Brits. One minor query, the instructions refer to a "bag of coal" as included with the Brits, and to a tender vac pipe. Both of these were missing from the box. Have others received these bits? Colin thanks for the heads up on that. i'll be sure to check mine before leaving the shop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 The rumour that Clans were to come to the S&D sadly never became fact BUT in Peter Smith's excellent book "Footplate Over The Mendips", the final pages give loading tables for various engines working over the S&D. In the section headed "Ex LM & BR Standard Passenger & Mixed Traffic Engines" the final entry is for..........Clan Pacifics. So, although it is only a rumour, there is absolutely no reason why you can't keep repeating it until one day it becomes accepted fact and I can then justify 72006 Clan MacKenzie in charge of The Pines Express. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 12, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2009 The rumour that Clans were to come to the S&D sadly never became fact BUT in Peter Smith's excellent book "Footplate Over The Mendips", the final pages give loading tables for various engines working over the S&D. In the section headed "Ex LM & BR Standard Passenger & Mixed Traffic Engines" the final entry is for..........Clan Pacifics. So, although it is only a rumour, there is absolutely no reason why you can't keep repeating it until one day it becomes accepted fact and I can then justify 72006 Clan MacKenzie in charge of The Pines Express. Jim That's interesting because no load is given for 72XXX in the Loads Book - however it would presumably be the same as the loads for a WC/BB. Interestingly the WC/BB loads are exactly the same as the Black 5/Std 73XXX other than south of Corfe Mullen where the Bulleids were allowed an extra 25 tons in each direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 That's interesting because no load is given for 72XXX in the Loads Book - however it would presumably be the same as the loads for a WC/BB. Interestingly the WC/BB loads are exactly the same as the Black 5/Std 73XXX other than south of Corfe Mullen where the Bulleids were allowed an extra 25 tons in each direction. The Clans would have been allowed an extra 20 tons more than the 5s and Bullieds between Bath and Masbury, 290 tons against 270. This is less than the weight of 1 coach so would not have been a great improvement over the existing loco stock, especially as the Clans themselves did not enjoy the best of reputations for free steaming. We can only wonder. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffers Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 According to literature I have read the Class 6 Clans were often expected to carry out Class 7 work because they were a Pacific and as they struggled a wee bit were consequently seen as weak and steam-shy. Yet some of the Scottish crews thought highly of them and got some excellent work out of them. The S&D had a reputation for sorting out good and bad designs. Would the Clans had been successful? We'll never know but S&D enginemen had a good reputation for getting work out of iffy locos. The 2p 4-4-0s were not held in particularly high esteem in many parts of the system but between the wars they hauled the Pines Express (albeit mostly a 6-coach version) unaided over the Mendips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 The Clans would have been allowed an extra 20 tons more than the 5s and BullEIds between Bath and Masbury, 290 tons against 270. This is less than the weight of 1 coach so would not have been a great improvement over the existing loco stock, especially as the Clans themselves did not enjoy the best of reputations for free steaming. We can only wonder. Jim Just out of curiosity, what is this statement based on (barring the table in the book)? TE as found with a quick browse of the 'net shows Clans and rebuilts (too heavy for the S&D I think) as roughly equivilent, but unrebuilts as 31,046lbs. I don't see how this equates to an extra 20 tons on the drawbar myself. As another aside, I've always understood the 2P to be a fairly typical Midland (as opposed to LMS) loco' i.e. underpowered if mechanically rugged but inefficient relative to other, more or less comparable machines (say, Maunsell's L1s), with huge wheels: not really the kind of thing the S&D really wanted at all! Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neal Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 One point I would make of most recent 'standard' offerings where you can see through the frames, is that the top of the chassis block casting is always 'flat'. See: http://www.ehattons....cts/r2846_3.jpg or http://www.ehattons....ts/32-854_3.jpg Whilst I appreciate that proper frames would be uneconomic to fabricate for the volume RTR market, would it not be possible to give the impression of frame thicknesses by adding a shallow rebate to the center of the upper face of the chassis casting. This would give the suggestion of a realistic frame assembly, and may also reduce the reflections that sometimes occur between running plate and chassis. I am not an expert in casting technology, but I would hope that such a feature may be relatively easy to incorporate. Neal 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim49 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Just out of curiosity, what is this statement based on (barring the table in the book)? TE as found with a quick browse of the 'net shows Clans and rebuilts (too heavy for the S&D I think) as roughly equivilent, but unrebuilts as 31,046lbs. I don't see how this equates to an extra 20 tons on the drawbar myself. I'm afraid I can't shed any more light on the the source of the statement as there is no accompanying comment crediting the origin of the table. Peter Smith makes no reference to the Clans in the main text so he has not added the Clan figures in support of an article or anecdote in the book. As to the extra 20 tons on the loading, I can only assume that the authorities expected the Clans to make better use of their power than the Bullieds, perhaps by being more sure footed. We will probably never know for certain now unless someone out there can come up with an answer..... Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 It seems the unrebuilt Bulleid pacifics were considered ???slippery??™ on the S&D and their allowed load adjusted accordingly. Robin Atthill in his book ???The Somerset & Dorset Railway??™ comments on this. He says ?????¦ it was hoped that they would be able to take at least ten coaches unassisted, about 320 tons tare??™, but because they were liable to slipping, they had to be limited to the same top load as the Stanier 5s (270 tons). He also gives ratios of top load to tractive effort (in tons) for several classes of locos used on the S&D. The ratio for 2Ps was 26 to 1, for Stanier 5s 24 to 1, and for 9Fs 23.5 to 1. The figure for Bulleids was 19.5 to 1. Using the value of this figure for the 9F (the lowest other than the Bulleid??™s) gives a possible load of 288 tons for a Clan ??“ 18 tons more than the load for a Bulleid pacific or Stanier 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Mc Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Very nice I have ordered a couple of these. Now can anyone tell me what type of whistle it was fitted with a BR or chime whistle. Is their any documentation for the type of whistle used? Thanks Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Chime. Dave. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Clanger Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 For anyone put off by the boiler taper on the box label (as I was), the actual model looks a lot better - at least the one on the Hornby stand at Peterborough did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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