RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 6, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2010 Part 1 - fitting the speakers. Note, this only applies to the non motorised vehicles, the motor has a metal chassis which requires far more work. Speaker used = ESU/Loksound 50440, 16X25mm, 100 Ohms. Find a position, I mount it between the side details, it fits perfectly. Chain drill the location After cleaning the hole, check fitting The speaker wires can be fed between the seats to the end of the vehicle. I use Heljan couplings to pass the power, they carry 4 wires. The wires can be fed through a (drilled) hole in the floor and connected to the speaker wires. This is the other end hence the change of wire colour ! (it's a 3 car 170 I'm working on here) Part 2 once I get chance for some more photos. hopefully have the decoders back soon and I can try the sound B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Interesting! Can you give me a little more detail regarding the couplings you used as I have been trying to do something very similar to a class 159 unit, which will eventually get the sound unit currently installed in a class 158. I wanted to sort out the lights in the 159 before risking an expensive sound decoder! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 7, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2010 Do the couplings come apart easily for storing the coaches separately? Previously I was using a small mini plug but having the coupling and power all in one looks good. I'll assume as you are happy with it that close coupling is good too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 7, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hi guys, I will take some more photos on Saturday. The 158 is not so easy (the 2 car version anyway) as it needs the chassis milling out, we will be doing the 2-car 170 on Saturday and I will take some photos of the procedure, hopefully the smaller speaker will mean that not much material needs removing. The coupling pushes together and then little hooks, one each side, are pushed down to lock it, it's not something that you would want to shunt with but for this type of coupling it's perfect - and something has to carry the power anyway ! Here's a link to them (on Kernow Models site, where I got mine from - with excellent service B) ) http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/16357/850211_Heljan_Universal_Power_Coupler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 7, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2010 gonna have to get some of those couplings, would be ideal for my drs 20's and rhtt train so i can run them top and tail with sound at both ends, i can currently do it but have to fit jumpers between the locos and wagons which is a bit fiddly, they will also so do for my chiltern 165, i could use 2 wires for the lights and the others for an extra speaker in the dummy car out of interest who's sounds are you going to be using? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 7, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2010 gonna have to get some of those couplings, would be ideal for my drs 20's and rhtt train so i can run them top and tail with sound at both ends, i can currently do it but have to fit jumpers between the locos and wagons which is a bit fiddly, they will also so do for my chiltern 165, i could use 2 wires for the lights and the others for an extra speaker in the dummy car out of interest who's sounds are you going to be using? Hi Jim (hope it's going well !), I will let you know once I have heard it, at the moment he's new to us so I'd like to hear the sound before commenting publically (although the stuff I have heard is very good) cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 7, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2010 Will you have them with you at Warley on the demo stand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 7, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2010 Will you have them with you at Warley on the demo stand? Hi Paul, can do - should be with me anyway, but try and remember to prompt me closer to the event ! cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyRob16 Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hi, Can I add one word of warning/advice regarding the 'power coupler'? (Speaking from experience!!!) When coupling these together either make sure track power is off or do it off the track and then lift it on once coupled. If you don't you will probably fry your chip!! The individual contacts are very close to each other and during the action of coupling they do touch, hence the risk of a short. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer the loss of a sound chip!! Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Hi guys, The coupling pushes together and then little hooks, one each side, are pushed down to lock it, it's not something that you would want to shunt with but for this type of coupling it's perfect - and something has to carry the power anyway ! Here's a link to them (on Kernow Models site, where I got mine from - with excellent service B) ) http://www.kernowmod...l_Power_Coupler Thanks for that, Beast. I have been trying out the mini multi-pin connectors but they do get in the way a bit. I just bought some items from Kernow; if i had known these couplings existed i would have ordered some at the same time. Ah, well, next order ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 8, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2010 Hi, Can I add one word of warning/advice regarding the 'power coupler'? (Speaking from experience!!!) When coupling these together either make sure track power is off or do it off the track and then lift it on once coupled. If you don't you will probably fry your chip!! The individual contacts are very close to each other and during the action of coupling they do touch, hence the risk of a short. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer the loss of a sound chip!! Rob Hi Rob, good advice, in my case I am only using them for speakers so I should be ok but I did notice they weren't 100% positive when being assembled so a very timely reminder for anyone who is going to us them. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 838rapid Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Have discovered on my 2 car 158 that there is a circle in the chassis which looks like its a casting mark. Thats actually a plastic insert. Managed to fit a bass enhanced speacker in there,which I had to remove the bottom section. Have sealed it with Tack. Might be worth a try with Micro speaker though. Like the couplings too. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyRob16 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Hi Rob, good advice, in my case I am only using them for speakers so I should be ok but I did notice they weren't 100% positive when being assembled so a very timely reminder for anyone who is going to us them. Cheers If just using them for speakers it should be fine. I use one pair for the speaker and the other for the working door open lights, hence 'power' passing through too, so more chance of a short!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 10, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2010 Part 2 - Some further progress was made yesterday. The speaker position was marked The chassis needs to have everything removed (apart from the motor) before the side cut bit gets to work. Side frames are held on with four screws, two per side, in the corners. Eventually it becomes an ACKD kit (almost completely knocked down) The motor is wrapped in a plastic bag and the whole lot sealed with tape. It's positioned on the machine and the cutting commences. until Check the position. A important step - thanks to Janet Rogers who made us these butties B) Clean off any burrs. The side details need a small amount of filing on the inside to stop them being bowed out by the speaker. Job done (until part 3 !) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 22, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2010 A 3-car and a 2-car 170 have now joined the roll call for Widnes - with sound. 2 x 153s are under way, detailing work is required to correct the "engine" fault (it's just a box !) but both have sound. I have some ideas for adding more train sounds which I hope to investigate in the new year. Get your "Widnes is a noisy layout" complaints ready for when we hit Ally Pally in 2011 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted November 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2010 Dave, Do you leave the speaker open to the track or do you put some kind of grill/cover over it? I would have thought that any magnet positioned like that and left open is going to pick up all sorts of crud that finds its way onto the layout. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmaz Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Get your "Widnes is a noisy layout" complaints ready for when we hit Ally Pally in 2011 . If you are going to be at Ally Pally next year then I might actually start going to it again! Not bothered for a couple of years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 22, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2010 Dave, Do you leave the speaker open to the track or do you put some kind of grill/cover over it? I would have thought that any magnet positioned like that and left open is going to pick up all sorts of crud that finds its way onto the layout. Andi Hi Andi, I leave it open, not seen any major issues with debris, yet - we generally hoover the layout before use, it may even be useful to find any lost screws etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 22, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2010 If you are going to be at Ally Pally next year then I might actually start going to it again! Not bothered for a couple of years now. We are there with Widnes in March 2011 if that helps - we always welcome guest operators so if you fancy a go then .. (I will post nearer the time though !) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattmaz Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 We are there with Widnes in March 2011 if that helps - we always welcome guest operators so if you fancy a go then .. (I will post nearer the time though !) I might well take you up on that one! Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 23, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2010 I might well take you up on that one! Matt It wasn't an option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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