10000/10001

[Pandora]

There were a couple of bodies for the twins in the Bachmann stand at Warley.

 

At first I thought they were test shots, I am suspicious that they might be Silver Fox resin bodies.

 

Did anyone else see them and form the same opinion?

 

 

 

 

[Ed-farms]

Anyone got any photos for those who were not there yesterday and cannot make it today?

[luke_stevens]

There were a couple of bodies for the twins in the Bachmann stand at Warley.

 

At first I thought they were test shots, I am suspicious that they might be Silver Fox resin bodies.

 

Did anyone else see them and form the same opinion?

 

 

 

 

 

To me they looked as if they were rapid-prototyping models (that is where the model is "printed" in resin). You could just "see" that they were made of vertical slices. This would mean that Bachmann are beyond the first draft of the CAD data but haven't done sufficient metal cutting to show an initial molding. So still a long time away from delivery.

[Baby Deltic]

There were a couple of bodies for the twins in the Bachmann stand at Warley.

 

At first I thought they were test shots, I am suspicious that they might be Silver Fox resin bodies.

 

Did anyone else see them and form the same opinion?

 

 

 

 

 

They were definately the work of Bachmann and not Silver Fox. The detail was far too good.

[Pennine MC]

 

At first I thought they were test shots, I am suspicious that they might be Silver Fox resin bodies.

 

 

Why 'suspicious'? I dont think it's any great secret that Bachmann have often used existing models in their cabinets, both as livery indications and to show the less well-versed what it is that's actually being modelled. As others have said though, that doesnt appear to be the case here - probably they've abandoned the strategy in view of the difficulty some folk have with such abstract concepts

[Poor Old Bruce]

Anyone got any photos for those who were not there yesterday and cannot make it today?

Yes but they need resizing before I can post them. Will see if I can do it this afto.

[Poor Old Bruce]

Here's the shots of the two locos on display:

 

 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Oh no, I can feel the temptation. (I don't need one, they never appeared in the BR(ER) location of my modelling, I only ever saw one once at a great distance, it's only a prototype class 37 and I never like that class...)

[LH&JC]

Niether were preserved, there is no new build idea, preserved railways don't tend to run diesels so how can I justify a rather expensive diesel, ah who cares?

[vac_basher]

I'm not too familiar with the prototype, but to me the detail on these look great B)

The bogies and underframe look especially good.

I'm glad I've got a pair of these on order

[Leicester Thumper]

My friend lived in the western region territories when he was a much younger chap. It was just after nationalisation or early 1950 when he saw them

 

forgot which line they were on but it was a branchline and he said 8 O' Clock in the morning before his school train came, this LMS diesel flew by him he said it was 10001. he did say they were loud though...

[Mallard60022]

Now, if I was to model Derby Works circa April 1963 then I would need these!

36E

[Pete Harvey]

That's no resin casting.

 

I saw them both yesterday they are going to be one very nice double act when they are released.

 

Pete

[woodenhead]

If you ask me, they look over scale by 100%, should be 2mm.

[Pete Harvey]

LOL

[Bill]

Here's the shots of the two locos on display:

 

 

 

Thanks on behalf of those who were not able to cross the pond to vist Warley. By gum they are looking good - I am so glad they spent time on Southern Rails - Bachmann are doing a stand up job by the looks of it!

[7013]

Generally I thought the preprods looked OK, but there was huge amounts of filler around the doors, but hey, when they hit the street they will be excellent,

[SRman]

Nice pics. I'm only partly tempted by 10000/10001 as they did spend some time on the SR. The things in the pics that have really got me drooling are the 2EPBs in the background!

[craigwelsh]

Generally I thought the preprods looked OK, but there was huge amounts of filler around the doors, but hey, when they hit the street they will be excellent,

The cabs appear to have been a separate rapid prototype and then stuck on. Its not been the best joining job and I assume there were gaps too hence the filler. Certainly a cheaper way of doing a first draft from the cad though without cutting metal.

 

It seems to look a bit uglier in grey for some reason, maybe the black livery hides all the bumps on these things! Not one for me but it looks a good start.

[Flying Pig]

... preserved railways don't tend to run diesels ...

Happily for you this is not the case: a "None Preserved Diesel Gala" beckons, the LMS twins sharing duties with the Dapol North British hydraulics and the Heljan Baby Deltic, dining specials being operated by the B**e P*****n and the Kitson Still (Hunslet Hobbies commission - it's bound to happen) on hand to confuse the no-kettles brigade.

[TheSignalEngineer]

Oh no, I can feel the temptation. (I don't need one, they never appeared in the BR(ER) location of my modelling, I only ever saw one once at a great distance, it's only a prototype class 37 and I never like that class...)

 

How about someone re-bodying adisused '37' for a preserved line then?

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Wasn't this actually discussed as a genuine project proposal some time ago; take a 37, reskin, build and attach new bogies to take the 37's traction motors, for a lookee-likee?

 

Wish I could remember where I read this, but to the best of my recollection the story of what became class 37 goes thus:

 

BR had sustainable and potentially profitable bulk freight traffic flows, but despite the plethora of pilot scheme diesel designs didn't have a single unit that was ideal for much of this class of work. Basically the types 1 and 2 needed to be used in multiple to have enough grunt and brake force (and maintenance was proving to be proportional to mileage on well designed classes, so only running one loco is cheaper than running two) and the classes with enough grunt and brake force in power class 4 and 5 were too expensive for relatively slow freight work; to pay their way they needed to do a lot of mileage, only achievable in passenger service and on passenger speed freight flows. The EE type 3 was a synthesis of existing subsystems which cut the development and production cost significantly: use the layout of an LMS twin, put it on the proven bogies from the Deltic. Gains in design technique made it virtually the tractive equal of the EE type 4, for little more than the cost to acquire and run the best of the type 2s (the difference was basically the two extra powered axles) economically it was an immediate winner for much of BR's freight traffic..

[The Stationmaster]

Wasn't this actually discussed as a genuine project proposal some time ago; take a 37, reskin, build and attach new bogies to take the 37's traction motors, for a lookee-likee?

 

Wish I could remember where I read this, but to the best of my recollection the story of what became class 37 goes thus:

 

BR had sustainable and potentially profitable bulk freight traffic flows, but despite the plethora of pilot scheme diesel designs didn't have a single unit that was ideal for much of this class of work. Basically the types 1 and 2 needed to be used in multiple to have enough grunt and brake force (and maintenance was proving to be proportional to mileage on well designed classes, so only running one loco is cheaper than running two) and the classes with enough grunt and brake force in power class 4 and 5 were too expensive for relatively slow freight work; to pay their way they needed to do a lot of mileage, only achievable in passenger service and on passenger speed freight flows. The EE type 3 was a synthesis of existing subsystems which cut the development and production cost significantly: use the layout of an LMS twin, put it on the proven bogies from the Deltic. Gains in design technique made it virtually the tractive equal of the EE type 4, for little more than the cost to acquire and run the best of the type 2s (the difference was basically the two extra powered axles) economically it was an immediate winner for much of BR's freight traffic..

 

In reality I think it was much simpler than that! The need was identified very early on for something intermediate in power between the Type 2 and Type 4 locos so designs were sought. The Western got its loco from a consortium led by Beyer Peacock (i.e the Hymek), the BRCW efforts to uprate from their earlier successful series of locos resulted in the D6500 series but they were basically to fulfill a Southern Region requirement (and were of course the first in the field) and the EE design took advantage of advances in engine development which made it light enough to go on 3 axle bogies.

The next stage was basically which one turned into mass orders and it turned out to be the EE design, helped very much by the decision to go for it instead of the Hymek for a large order for the WR, and then it spread all over the place from its initial delivery onto the GE.

 

 

[simplex]

Don't need one, not really suitable for my layout, got too many locos... but thats never stopped me before. I WANT ONE (or TWO).

[simplex]

Oh no, I can feel the temptation. (I don't need one, they never appeared in the BR(ER) location of my modelling, I only ever saw one once at a great distance, it's only a prototype class 37 and I never like that class...)

 

 

[/i was under the impression that these were the forerunners of the "Peaks" which had the extra axle added to boost their brake force???

 

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