BernardTPM Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 While the Peak cab was obviously a development by Derby of its earlier LMS design, the actual diesel engine used in the Peak is a Sulzer and a forerunner of that in the 47. The same family of V16 EE engines were used in LMS 10000/1, the BR(SR) 10201-3, the 40s, 50s and (as a Ruston) the 56; the 37 engine was a smaller V12 version of the same family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 10000 and 10001 were heavyweights at over 130 tons each. The Peaks were around the same weight, or even heavier, depending on equipment fitted. The extra axle was simply a way of spreading the weight to reduce the individual axle loads to keep the civil engineers happy. Bulleid came up with the idea for 10201 - 3 and the 40s, 44s, 45s and 46s used essentially Bulleid's bogie design with some minor tweaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This has all gone very quiet. Have there been any moves or rumors of progress by either the Dapol/Hattons group or Rail/ Bachmann combination lately? Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This has all gone very quiet. Have there been any moves or rumors of progress by either the Dapol/Hattons group or Rail/ Bachmann combination lately? If there seems to be one constant in life, it is that all delivery schedules, whether they be for work or play, SEEM TO BE MOVING TO THE RIGHT. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 After todays Bachmann new products going live on the web I wonder if these have been moved from Rails to a general Bachmann release? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 After todays Bachmann new products going live on the web I wonder if these have been moved from Rails to a general Bachmann release? Would prove interesting at Hattons, they could be selling both... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I was under the impression that these were the forerunners of the "Peaks" which had the extra axle added to boost their brake force??? I don't think the extra axle on the peaks (or 40s) were braked in anyway Cheers Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 [/i was under the impression that these were the forerunners of the "Peaks" which had the extra axle added to boost their brake force??? The extra axles were to spread the weight. As Jim S-W correctly says they wern't braked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vac_basher Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 After todays Bachmann new products going live on the web I wonder if these have been moved from Rails to a general Bachmann release? It seems to me, what has quite possibly happened is Bachmann have decided to do the versions Rail's have decided not to do (ie. the least popular ones) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 It seems to me, what has quite possibly happened is Bachmann have decided to do the versions Rail's have decided not to do (ie. the least popular ones) That holds water, IMHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 It seems to me, although I may be wrong that the twins with partial blue stripe are also listed on Rail's site. Anybody any comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 It seems to me, what has quite possibly happened is Bachmann have decided to do the versions Rail's have decided not to do (ie. the least popular ones) Having been at the Bachmann Trade event yesterday I can confirm that the liveries announced by Bachmann are those liveries that Rail's of Sheffleld will not be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Will be interesting to see whether they are all the same price. You would have thought so. If the RRP is 106 then I don't think it will be a bad price for them by the time they hit the shops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Having been at the Bachmann Trade event yesterday I can confirm that the liveries announced by Bachmann are those liveries that Rail's of Sheffleld will not be doing. Then I am in somewhat of a quandry, as checking on Rails website 2 minutes ago, the green/partial blue banding was the longest lived green livery on both locomotives.!! I have a pre-order with Rails for one of each of these, what do I do now? cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 47107 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Then I am in somewhat of a quandry, as checking on Rails website 2 minutes ago, the green/partial blue banding was the longest lived green livery on both locomotives.!! I have a pre-order with Rails for one of each of these, what do I do now? cheers, Peter C. I have just spoken to Rails and the situation is : Rails are going to produce the locos in LMS and BR black liveries only and Bachmann will produce the BR green versions as standard releases. If anyone has a green loco on order with Rails, they will still supply the model but at a cheaper price than the limited edition black ones. The Rails website will be updated this week to make the situation clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 So are Bachmann doing the one variant that I understand Hattons have not comissioned from Dapol? - can you see where I am going with this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic56 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Having been at the Bachmann Trade event yesterday I can confirm that the liveries announced by Bachmann are those liveries that Rail's of Sheffleld will not be doing. Although Bachmann organised the first Model Trade show in Leicester in 2009 and had a part in organising last years up in Coventry they now have NOTHING to do with orgnisation of this event. They simply started the ball rolling and let it go from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I have just spoken to Rails and the situation is : Rails are going to produce the locos in LMS and BR black liveries only and Bachmann will produce the BR green versions as standard releases. If anyone has a green loco on order with Rails, they will still supply the model but at a cheaper price than the limited edition black ones. The Rails website will be updated this week to make the situation clear. Thanks for the clarification 47, will keep an eye on Rails' website! Cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted March 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2011 It seems from the new info on the Rails website that the limited edition black&silver Twins will be considerably cheaper than the Hattons/Dapol models. As it doesn't seem likely that Dapol will make a significantly better model than Bachmann, I somewhat fear for their sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 It seems from the new info on the Rails website that the limited edition black&silver Twins will be considerably cheaper than the Hattons/Dapol models. As it doesn't seem likely that Dapol will make a significantly better model than Bachmann, I somewhat fear for their sales. I don't follow. As of 19.22 there were no prices on the RoS site. It just stated TBA. Hattons are stating £124. Where do you get the information about 'considerably cheaper' from and how significant is the difference? Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy P Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I don't follow. As of 19.22 there were no prices on the RoS site. It just stated TBA. Hattons are stating £124. Where do you get the information about 'considerably cheaper' from and how significant is the difference? Bernard Kernow are showing a RRP of £106.60 and a "our price" of £89.99 for the standard Bachmann releases (i.e. the green ones). Rails, in their update state that their limited edition (black ones) will be similar to the full RRP of the standard releases and that they will be retailing the standard items according to their (quote) "usual competitive pricing structure". Everyone is therefore free to guess where that will leave Hattons/Dapol. RP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 47107 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Full explanation here : http://railsofsheffield.com/lms-twins/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Its going to be interesting to see what Hattons put on their website when they update it for the new Bachmann releases. With their ususal discount the Bachmann green twins should work out in the mid £80s, and thats a good 40 quid cheaper than their commissioned model. Thats kind of shooting themselves in the foot. I wonder if they will they take the option of just not selling the Bachmann model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Full explanation here : http://railsofsheffield.com/lms-twins/ No it isn't. That states exactly what I put in my last post prices TBA. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 No it isn't. That states exactly what I put in my last post prices TBA. Bernard If you read the ROS text it states that the Bachmann general release, green, version will have a RRP of £106 and, in line with their usual policy, Rails will offer a competitive discount. They will sell their exclusive, black, versions for a price "similar" to the RRP of the green version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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