Dapol Class 21/29

[Bob Reid]

Maybe this is a topic for a separate thread - like one that has absolutely nothing to do with Class 21/29s?

[Chris Higgs]

Maybe this is a topic for a separate thread - like one that has absolutely nothing to do with Class 21/29s?

 

Just passing the time until the Class 29 emerges. Could be a while....

[adb968008]

Maybe this is a topic for a separate thread - like one that has absolutely nothing to do with Class 21/29s?

Ok a 44 with a 29 then ?

[Phil Bullock]

Ok a 44 with a 29 then ?

 

Now that is a big ask!

 

Phil

[Bob Reid]

Ok a 44 with a 29 then ?

 

No, it's absolutely pointless, it clutters up this thread with nonsense - If anyone wants to work out every possible combination, I'd suggest making a separate topic... 

Edited January 17, 2018 by Bob-65b

[Ian Hargrave]

If the direction of this topic is considered to be unduly bothersome,feel free to press the report icon so that the mods can sort it out.

 

Otherwise...ignore the midges and move on...

[Mad McCann]

Well, come on guys; it IS a bit irrelevant to the primary topic.

Plenty of places in the special interest section where this sort of idle speculation can happily sit.

I check this thread for any developments in the NBL project but it seems to be hidden under piles of unrelated motive power combo speculation.

I find it a wee bit frustrating in truth when I’m hoping to read something relevant to the topic guys.

 

D4.

[adb968008]

I think the points been made.

 

Time to let this thread go dormant until the surprise happens, or April 2nd, which ever comes first.

Edited January 17, 2018 by adb968008

[Ray M]

I think this is a surprise.

unless i`ve missed this pic before.

Taken from Pinterest.

[Mad McCann]

And certainly the conclusive proof of where the boundary for the yellow end was located!

A real gem of an image. I’m guessing early 1968.

 

D4

[thaddeus]

I think this is a surprise.

unless i`ve missed this pic before.

Taken from Pinterest.

One of the best photos of 6123. Details here

 

https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/32/588/

[Bob Reid]

Here's a clear shot of the demarcation between the Rail Blue & Rail Warning Yellow courtesy of Mike Mather

 

Rail Blue. by Mike Mather, on Flickr

[Mel_H]

From what I recall reading some years back the reason the Pilot Scheme loco went to the London area was to help in getting dieselisation underway more rapidly in London, particularly on the GN suburban service.Hence the classes were introduced in England and possibly even as an accident of policy or pressure from particular Regions.  Ultimate allocation of, particularly the NBL locos, seems to confirm that they were very likely intended all along for Scotland once the main order proceeded in that direction.

 

And as you've said the Class 29 version was very much a Scottish loco (and quite a nice one on which to ride and which seemed reasonably reliable according to Enginemen on the West Highland extension).

 

The prime reason why many early diesels went to London was issues with smoke control of steam locos, and the implications of the Clean Air Act

Edited January 19, 2018 by Mel_H

[The Stationmaster]

The prime reason why many early diesels went to London was issues with smoke control of steam locos, and the implications of the Clean Air Act

 

Was it?  If that were the case surely it would have applied to all parts of the country (the 1956 Act applied nationally) and indeed if nothing else to all parts of London?  In fact of course Nine Elms depot continued with steam until 1967 and main line steam operated out of various London termini until well into the early1960s and in several cases beyond the 7 year exemption in the 1956 Act which by inference from the Act could probably be taken to apply to railway engines as the Act itself applied the domestic property provisions to railway engines.  Provided the railway took appropriate measures to 'control' smoke emissions - which basically meant proper management of smoke emission from engines - then it had nothing to fear from the Act.

 

The alternative has to be to question to what extent other factors influenced early dieselisation of various London suburban services and I suspect that money and labour were probably more persuasive factors that the Clean Air Act - which in any case preceded the introduction of the NBL DE Type 2 by 3 years and that of the Brush Type 2 by 2 years.  And at a time when some London depots were continuing to suffer severe recruitment problems for labouring jobs and were in a number of cases increasingly relying on immigrant labour to fill such vacancies (although a de facto colour bar was applied on the recruitment of footplate staff).

[Mel_H]

Was it?  If that were the case surely it would have applied to all parts of the country (the 1956 Act applied nationally) and indeed if nothing else to all parts of London?  In fact of course Nine Elms depot continued with steam until 1967 and main line steam operated out of various London termini until well into the early1960s and in several cases beyond the 7 year exemption in the 1956 Act which by inference from the Act could probably be taken to apply to railway engines as the Act itself applied the domestic property provisions to railway engines.  Provided the railway took appropriate measures to 'control' smoke emissions - which basically meant proper management of smoke emission from engines - then it had nothing to fear from the Act.

 

The alternative has to be to question to what extent other factors influenced early dieselisation of various London suburban services and I suspect that money and labour were probably more persuasive factors that the Clean Air Act - which in any case preceded the introduction of the NBL DE Type 2 by 3 years and that of the Brush Type 2 by 2 years.  And at a time when some London depots were continuing to suffer severe recruitment problems for labouring jobs and were in a number of cases increasingly relying on immigrant labour to fill such vacancies (although a de facto colour bar was applied on the recruitment of footplate staff).

 

Yes, it was. Really!  There were specific issues in north an east London which were the worst - Top Shed being among them - . It's been well documented by those who were there, such as Peter Townend and Dick Hardy. I suppose the situation was not unlike today's EU Air Quality measures where, again, it's London that breaches the limits more than anyway. Anyway, we're well OT now

[Clive Mortimore]

I spoke with a friend yesterday about class 29s. He looked aghast when I suggested with a little work the Hornby composite model scrubs up OK. 

[Mad McCann]

That's not untrue of course, but when you have a queue of other time consuming bodges  projects to hand, any timesavers are welcomed with open arms! 

 

D4

[Downendian]

I spoke with a friend yesterday about class 29s. He looked aghast when I suggested with a little work the Hornby composite model scrubs up OK.

 

Indeed they can Clive, if anyone hasn’t seen Kylestrome’s beautiful model, feast your eyes on this.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107181-Hornby-class-29-–-ex-works/?p=2688890

Again with time and effort, and half decent start point (primary body shape) a lot is possible.

Neil

[sulzer27jd]

I have a Hornby one in use on Claterinbrigg;

 

 

but would still like to see an updated version. I would have more than one on the layout, but the thought of fighting with another Hornby rebuild puts me off.

 

John

[hongkongmike]

From Richard @ Dapol Digest today.

 

 

I mentioned last month that these models were in the toolroom, and now I am pleased to report that the factory has advised me that first shots are due around the middle of February, so we should have the first EP (engineering pilot) to view at Ally Pally at the end of March. Kind Regards, Richard.

 

Getting closer.

Fantastic news! I have been waiting for these to come out for many years, and am salivating at the thought...was quietly hoping they would have made a surprise appearance at the Scottish Model Rail Exhibition just held, but seems not. My model of 61B will be complete with a couple of class 21's hanging about on road 12 under repair!

[MGR Hooper!]

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

Someone had better feed back that there is a major deviation from prototype in the bufferbeam valance and entire lower body side at the bufferbeam height. There should be a well defined transition to a bevelled turn under. Dare I say it, the old Hornby tooling - although not perfect in this respect - is better. I realise it is difficult to tool, but that's the challenge.

 

Bogies and upperworks look good, as they should be. Have to trot along to Allypally for a gander. I might even wave my Hornbach adaption at them to show what a toy maker achieved thirty  (or is it more?) years ago, since I bottled out of improving the bottom of the body.

[paulbb]

Agree with the above, and yet on the Dapol CAD images (on Hattons) that lower bodyside bevel is present...what went wrong??

[26power]

Doesn't seem to be any more images available on the website.  Nor discussion in the Dapol Digest", yet.  Perhaps that's a a good place to make comments on the posted image/others that are made available, so that Dapol read them?

[peteskitchen]

That looks terrible around the buffer beam and its valance. I do hope that's addressed before release otherwise its not good enough.