RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted October 10, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2009 RhB 14:35 to Arosa ... last seen ... by 70000 Britannia (formerly DaveGeo) original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ DaveGeo posted on Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:31 pm Never, ever take things for granted in the High Street in town! An interesting shot I took recently, whilst in Switzerland. Thought it might provide some light-hearted interest!! Dave __________________________________________ Comment posted by cornelius on Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:11 pm Secondman to Driver: "I told you it was left at the lights but you wouldn't listen, would you?" __________________________________________ Comment posted by shortliner on Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:53 pm "Bloody Hell, it's been wheel-clamped!" __________________________________________ Comment posted by Kris on Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:58 pm I'm betting he swerves first __________________________________________ Comment posted by 250BOB on Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:07 pm You should have made this one into a caption competition.....its just asking for it. " You're on the wrong side of the road.!!!" __________________________________________ Comment posted by davidpk212 on Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:11 pm Brilliant, can you imagine 86's and 47's running on roads like this in Britain? Caption Competition: "Car: Honk! Train: PARP-PARP! *car moves swiftly round train*" __________________________________________ Comment posted by JZ on Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:38 pm Swiss Railway companies are regretting fitting SatNav to their locomotives. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 250BOB on Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:10 pm Good one Julian.... Bob __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:03 pm Notice inside lavatory compartment: 'Do not use the toilet while the train is standing in a station, or running along the street' __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:44 pm Brilliant, can you imagine 86's and 47's running on roads like this in Britain?-or even class 33's, ludicrous! http://trainsferries....uk/d33quay.jpg http://trainsferries...k/6535weyyd.jpg __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:49 pm Well, 33s used to But not in this day and age, no I can't __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:58 pm Well that first link: http://trainsferries....uk/d33quay.jpg - a good idea for the '2008' challenge? a car that drives along 10mph in front of the loco! -anyway back to the RHB, we looked at the bit in Tirano, much the same sort of thing only they have Italian drivers to contend with! __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:16 am Yeah quite impressive in Tirano isn't it , and after it leaves there, the RhB Bernina line runs along the main road through the village in Le Prese for quite a distance as well __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:30 am 31A wrote: Yeah quite impressive in Tirano isn't it , and after it leaves there, the RhB Bernina line runs along the main road through the village in Le Prese for quite a distance as well Yeah we travelled as far as St Moritz and back over the pass. some of those spiral tunnels and viaducts are awesome! - my relatives live in Grosotto which is about 5-7 miles from Tirano! Dont think I'd want to meet this http://www.trainnet....14/587ON8TH.JPG- on a blind bend either! __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:43 am You're lucky! I've had a couple of visits to the RhB, and can't wait to go back - what a wonderful system, and such spectacular scenery! Most recent trip was last November when I arrived in Davos in a blizzard. Apparently at one stage during the week I was there 80cms of snow had fallen. Fantastic to see how the Swiss deal with it. Also visited Europe's highest brewery while we were at it, not by train but spectacular Post Bus ride (with worrying overtones of 'The Italian Job'!): http://www.biervisio...angebote-en.htm If anyone's thinking of visiting the Rhb, looking for somewhere to stay & happy with self catering, can't recommend this railway house in Davos highly enough, which you can rent from the RhB: http://www.rhb.ch/Fe...-im-Waerterhaus ... tml#splash as long as you don't mind being woken up by the 0450 train going past every morning (or the snow plough at 2am as on my last visit!). __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Voyager on Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:44 am The perils of on-train satnav! __________________________________________ DaveGeo posted on Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:24 am Thought you would find it interesting. It seems to me there are just so many interesting modelling possibilities with the Rh???’?‚?¤tische Bahn, particularly in Chur: metre gauge meets standard gauge, rail meets road, steep inclines and no cogs, sharp spirals. I've only been once but will be going back again in July. Anyway, a few more pics just to continue the theme. Dave __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:29 am Very nice pics, Dave! I like the way they've turned out 651 - some of the RhB pictorial liveries on the Ge4/4 III locos are very smart (as opposed to the advertising liveries, which can be a bit naff!) __________________________________________ DaveGeo posted on Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:32 am Thanks Steve - yes, the chrome effect on Fideris surprised me too, with its quality. Personally, I quite like the mountain pictorial on 647 Gr???’?‚??sch. RhB have done a far better job than SBB. Dave __________________________________________ Comment posted by michael delamar on Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:58 pm what a great thread, ive got this route on a cab ride video, it is amazing Mike __________________________________________ Comment posted by tre pol and pen on Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:41 pm it is amazing how well all the catenary blends in with the town street. they do things with real style over there dont they __________________________________________ Comment posted by acg5324 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:54 am Stayed at the Hotel Grischuna at Filisur station a couple of years ago for the week, great watching the trains from the restaurant...and you can have a room overlooking the line if you want. http://www.grischuna...ur.ch/home.html There is even a webcam for Filisur station. The Rhb is one of my faves...ton of photos here http://railsaroundth...t/c1021968.html __________________________________________ Comment posted by 45669 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:44 pm Evening All, In view of the interest in the Swiss Rh???’?‚?¤tische Bahn, and the Chur - Arosa line in particular, I have put a few more pix of this remarkable railway on my Fotopic site. The first one in the sequence is of the street running section in Chur and shows two cars both trying to pass the train at the same time. It would have been alright if they hadn't been going in opposite directions! Here's the link for the benefit of anyone that's interested to have a look : http://ronfisher2.fo...t/c1099919.html As this is the 'Stop Press!' collection, they will be there for a couple of weeks or so and then I shall move them onto the Graub???’?‚??nden collection in the 1st Gallery. You will then find them here : http://ronfisher.fot...t/c1440356.html If anyone is temped to visit Switzerland and its railway system, I hope the pictures that have recently appeared on here, and elsewhere on the Internet, have convinced them that they really must get on with it and go! __________________________________________ DaveGeo posted on Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:32 am 45669 wrote: .. the first one in the sequence is of the street running section in Chur and shows two cars both trying to pass the train at the same time .. Also never overtake on a bend: Dave __________________________________________ Comment posted by 5944 on Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:28 pm I went to Chur a couple of weeks ago and went for a wander around the town in the evening. I didn't actually realise the railway ran through the town until I walked down one of the side streets and a train went past at the other end of the street! Sadly I didn't have time to do the line, unless I got up at 4.30am and did the first trip to Arosa and back. I went out there for a tour with one of RhB's delightful 2-8-0s on a circular tour from Landquart to Filisur. Well worth it. Blue skies, snow, steam. In a way I wish I'd been linesiding rather than travelling, but it was well worth it for the noise from the loco. A few photos at http://5944.fotopic.net/c1444828.html __________________________________________ Comment posted by 45669 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:31 pm 5944 wrote: I went to Chur a couple of weeks ago and went for a wander around the town in the evening. I didn't actually realise the railway ran through the town until I walked down one of the side streets and a train went past at the other end of the street! Sadly I didn't have time to do the line, unless I got up at 4.30am and did the first trip to Arosa and back. I went out there for a tour with one of RhB's delightful 2-8-0s on a circular tour from Landquart to Filisur. Well worth it. Blue skies, snow, steam. In a way I wish I'd been linesiding rather than travelling, but it was well worth it for the noise from the loco. A few photos at http://5944.fotopic.net/c1444828.html Thanks for the link. Very nice pix. I've got some pictures of Rh???’?‚?¤tische Bahn steam in 2001 which I shall scan and post on Fotopic in due course. It was in August, though, so no snow! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Re6/6 on Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:05 pm Lovely photos Dave. Chur is a marvellous place. I seem to remember reading a while ago that some of the street running was to be replaced with a tunnel at the station & bus interchange end. Has this been abandonned, or just delayed? All this makes me want to chuck the current projects & get the Swiss stuff out! __________________________________________ Comment posted by dounesm on Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:11 pm Nice one ! H & S would never allow this in UK. Bernina Express to Tirano Did it a few years ago. You could lean out of the train window and shake hands with the locals sitting having coffee as the train passed down the street in Poschiavo. __________________________________________ DaveGeo posted on Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:13 pm Re6-6 wrote: ... Chur is a marvellous place. I seem to remember reading a while ago that some of the street running was to be replaced with a tunnel at the station & bus interchange end. Has this been abandonned, or just delayed? All this makes me want to chuck the current projects & get the Swiss stuff out! When I was there in September, they were putting the finishing touches to the station redevelopment. There was no sign of tunnel works. The following page references the Chur-Arosa tunnel information - it looks, thankfully, that it's a dead duck. The Arosa line is very tortuous in the curves and is mostly on incline with no cog-track to be seen. Great for side on shots on the move!! It also offers examples of excellent mixed formation running. I love the fact that cement, gravel, oil, red coaches, blue Arosa Express, and the loco, are often created in any sort of push-pull formation. Lovely Jubbly Dave __________________________________________ Comment posted by PaulRhB on Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:03 pm Thanks for sharing, My mate Neils 'Gscale' layout is based on a mirror image of Arosa, all the wires are now done and it looks fantastic. I'm off to do it properly later in the year. __________________________________________ DaveGeo posted on Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:12 pm I'm sure that they look great in that scale - it would be a stunner if he got the drop down tunnel station arrival/exit in aswell! Dave __________________________________________ Comment posted by CraigZ on Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:05 pm I made several trips out to Chur in the mid 1990s...always by train from Zurich. Great fun...and loved to watch the RhB running in the streets. It amazed me. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Horsetan on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:15 am I did Chur to Davos Platz in October 2006. Even on the narrow gauge, services arrive and depart on time. Swiss railway journeys are just so reliable ; it just painfully reminds us of how our own networks are not run..... __________________________________________ Comment posted by Neil_s_wood on Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:42 am Excellent photos. I wonder if they get many collisions with cars? __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NGT6 1315 Posted October 30, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2009 Had not seen this thread on either Old or New RMweb before - great stuff there, Dave . I wonder whether the authorities here in Germany would allow street tracks to be electrified with high voltage AC. Speaking of that, I quite like the following situation in Sissach: Former Mittelthurgaubahn/Lokoop class Re 486 double unit emerging from the gravel loading facility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted November 2, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2009 Cheers Dominik Now then, I sincerely hope that the left-handed bend in the road was preceded by a set of traffic lights! Wouldn't want to bump into a doubled-headed Re 486 unannounced. There's a model shop over here in Altrincham, south Manchester, that has a couple of Lokoop locos - they looked quite interesting the last time I was in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NGT6 1315 Posted November 2, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2009 Announced or not, I think your car would be done in any case! After the MThB went bust the 486s were taken over by SBB Cargo and redesignated as class Re 481, and used for their German operations. Curiously, they were no longer capable of operating in Switzerland after the required refit, having been turned into more or less normal 145s again. Later on they were sold to MRCE, who in turn sold three of them on to German TOCs Pressnitztalbahn (two) and NIAG (one). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Well, I went down to a local model shop this afternoon and would you believe it they still had the 2 Lokoop Re 486s!! I understand they were a limited edition Swiss export model ref: Fleischmann 914320. I've found that they currently still sell for 193 euros. Anyway, I took a fancy to the one they had used in the shop for automated running demos for about a week. They used it because one of the ploughs had fallen off (plastic rods click fit into the bogie front but they broke off - plus two tiny hand rails each 5mm in length were missing). The untouched loco was ??155, whereas the demo one was on offer at ??95 (it is otherwise pristine and runs like a purring cat that has a very silent purr!). The wheels have no sign of wear at all etc. So, with my slightly indifferent tone I asked "what's the best price you can do" and he said "well I wouldn't take less than ??85". Now, even I know that the repairs are "Meercat simples .com" :-), if you get my drift. Anyway, Keith's a decent bloke and it was mine. The loco is MThB/SOB and what's more, the number is 486 652-1 - a la your photo link. Spooky or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NGT6 1315 Posted November 4, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2009 The loco is MThB/SOB and what's more, the number is 486 652-1 - a la your photo link. Spooky or what? Sounds like a good deal . I think it is quite interesting that the 486s were essentially the only 145 type engines ever to be operated by a non-German TOC. Also, they are (or rather were) the only ones to be fitted with pantographs not belonging to the Stemmann DSA product line. They did have DSA 200 ones for the delivery trip to Switzerland, but were then refitted with BBC ESa 06 pans as fitted to the SBB Re 4/4'' and similar engines, if I am not mistaken. So, if you would like to have your 486 look as they appeared after delivery to Switzerland, you might like to exchange the default pans for those found on Roco's Re 6/6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted November 4, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2009 Sounds like a good deal . I think it is quite interesting that the 486s were essentially the only 145 type engines ever to be operated by a non-German TOC. Also, they are (or rather were) the only ones to be fitted with pantographs not belonging to the Stemmann DSA product line. They did have DSA 200 ones for the delivery trip to Switzerland, but were then refitted with BBC ESa 06 pans as fitted to the SBB Re 4/4'' and similar engines, if I am not mistaken. So, if you would like to have your 486 look as they appeared after delivery to Switzerland, you might like to exchange the default pans for those found on Roco's Re 6/6. Crikey Dominik - where on earth do you get all this detailed info about pantographs - you seem to be a pantograph buff based on the info you've posted on other threads in the past. You're not a specialist pantograph producer by any chance are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NGT6 1315 Posted November 4, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2009 Crikey Dominik - where on earth do you get all this detailed info about pantographs - you seem to be a pantograph buff based on the info you've posted on other threads in the past. You're not a specialist pantograph producer by any chance are you? No, not really. I think this simply has to do with my being highly interested in even minute technical peculiarities of railways in specific countries. But, just to be on the safe side, I've just posted a question concerning the MthB 486's pans on a Swiss forum, so as to make sure my observation has been correct and I'm not telling any nonsense. What I also noticed is how engines such as those from the TRAXX family and indeed the ES 64 F4 line are very often seen with high beam headlights while running in Switzerland, even in broad daylight and good weather. I am still trying to find out whether there may be any deeper sense to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted November 4, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2009 No, not really. I think this simply has to do with my being highly interested in even minute technical peculiarities of railways in specific countries. But, just to be on the safe side, I've just posted a question concerning the MthB 486's pans on a Swiss forum, so as to make sure my observation has been correct and I'm not telling any nonsense. What I also noticed is how engines such as those from the TRAXX family and indeed the ES 64 F4 line are very often seen with high beam headlights while running in Switzerland, even in broad daylight and good weather. I am still trying to find out whether there may be any deeper sense to that. Hmmm, aren't they for health & safety? For example the class 66s run over here with a high intensity light (unless I'm mistaken) , as most certainly do the Desiro DMU class 185s - both in broad daylight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NGT6 1315 Posted November 4, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2009 It might well be that H&S rules in Switzerland, and indeed Austria where I saw much the same thing on class 185 engines, mandate the use of high beam headlights even in daylight, when available. Looking at the really huge original headlights on the Austrian 1042s and 1142s (click) I could well imagine that the Austrians place more emphasis on powerful headlights, which of course may have to do with the rugged terrain and the severe weather conditions occurring there frequently during the cold season. Interestingly, I also saw a photo of a 1116 on railjet duty which did not only have LED headlights - much like those on the 1216 - refitted, but was running with both the low beam LED lights as well as the high beam halogen lights activated at the same time. From what I had known about engines fitted with high beam headlights until then it had always been either low or high beam, but not both at the same time. However, I cannot say whether all 1016s and 1116s may eventually be refitted with LED headlights. On the other hand, the Italian railway authorities seem to be perfectly satisfied with just two headlights rather than three - even modern engines such as ES 64 F4s and Re 484s can be seen running there with the centre light unlit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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