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#76 Mark Saunders

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 19:25

Hi James,

No, I didn't take any of the wagons specifically but I may have a pic where they can be seen coupled the the Fowler's successor - a Mercedes Unimog that was fitted for road/rail. IIRC they were hoppers of about 20 tons capacity and painted mid blue in colour. I think they were very old and possibly ex-LNER. Whatever they were I'm fairly certain that they weren't the more usual 21-ton hoppers.

Regarding that 48DS; I believe it was "preserved" but that term seems to mean almost anything these days and I'm not at all sure where. You see I when I stopped chasing these things I also stopped updating my IRS books. I think it went to some scheme or other that hoped to re-open an old line in the north of England, but not a major "heritage" railway.

Sorry I can't be of any more help.


The hoppers at BOCM Selby were Charles Roberts 20 ton Hoppers; at least one could be identified as a former 'Bedford Electricity Authority' wagon.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 20:45

The Ruston 48DS I believe is now preserved at Alnwick Station in Northumberland.



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Posted 28 July 2011 - 21:08

Thanks for the answers :)

Dave if you have any photos of the hoppers I'd be interested to see them :) I got thinking about the Selby site after seeing photos taken by someone I know who's into 'urbexing' and had visited BOCM Selby and I asked if he'd seen any hoppers there - wondering if maybe one or two had survived and were stored inside. Sadly, all gone.

Marc, do you know where they came from originally?

I don't know why, but I feel the Rev Awdry would have been taken by a loco like the 48DS - marooned on its own very short railway longing, perhaps, to what's outside?!

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 21:00

James - If I come across the pic with the hoppers in, I'll scan it.

This lot are rather sad pics. All taken at C.F. Booth's Rotherham yard where most of the locos never turned a wheel again before joining the rest of the scrap pile. At the time the last of the collieries were closing and Booths seemed to be the ones who bought up the locos from the Yorks. Notts. and the North-eastern coalfields.

Some of the locos did see use as yard shunter until they broke down and joined the others in being cut up.

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AB478 shunting a van that had arrived for scrapping across Millmoor Lane level crossing. March 89.

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And seen at rest in August of the same year after shunting the wagon (covhop?) in the foreground.

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AB491 from a colliery in the northeast. Sometime in 1990. Note the ex-colliery tippler wagon body in the scrap pile.

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And seen from the other end.

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AB585, also from a northeast colliery, seen in April 88 on what was one of our earliest visits to this site.
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 20:42

A few more...

HC1387-90.jpg
Hudswell Clarke 0-4-0DH, w/n D1387. This was one of a pair from Renishaw Park Colliery. One of them moved to RMS Locotec in Dewsbury but I don't know if it saw further use.

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Rolls Royce 10233. Jan. 89. I think this one came from Manvers Main Colliery where it was numbered 70 and named Frank

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RR 10288. I have already shown a picture of this and here it is in action again. It had just shunted some wagons for scrapping and was about to move to the shed.

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Fowler 424 class 0-6-0DH, ex Teesbulk Handling Ltd. of Tees Dock, Grangetown. This one was cut up not long after the photo was taken.

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Thomas Hill 247v, a rebuild of Rolls Royce 10241, ex Rufford Colliery.
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#81 Ruston

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 15:07

Bored yet?

Here are a few more dead 'uns.

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TH176v ex-Gedling Colliery, Jan. 89.

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TH170v from a colliery in the northeast. Unfortunately I didn't write anything on the slide. Nov. 90. Interesting coach though...

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RH425478, a 165DE. IIRC this one came from a Blue Circle Cement works but I can't remember which one. Jan. 89.

And a pair that escaped Booth's.
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HE6684 and TH294v are seen here parked out of use on the end of a siding at the then recently closed Royston colliery (a drift mine IIRC) in November 88. Both moved to the preservation scheme that used to be at Meadowhall, next to the old Yorkshire Engine Co. works but are now at the National Coalmining Museum for England at Caphouse Colliery though I doubt they'll ever turn a wheel again.

I remember that my brother and I walked for miles to see these and were just a bit disappointed that they were finished with. We'd already been to Grimethorpe colliery and not managed to see anything so we walked to Royston to see the coke oven loco in action and then up the road to here.

Happy days. ;)

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#82 hmrspaul

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 15:57


TH170v from a colliery in the northeast. Unfortunately I didn't write anything on the slide. Nov. 90. Interesting coach though...

Happy days. ;)

The coach is a conversion for use in break down trains, there were a number of similar conversions, from LNER coaches, such as http://paulbartlett....48fc9#h2a048fc9

Interesting series of photographs.

Paul Bartlett
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#83 Arthur

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 16:13

Bored yet?


No :declare:
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#84 skipepsi

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 19:18

Please sir can we have some more?
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#85 Ruston

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 20:18

If you insist :D

Yet more dead 'uns. (I'll do some live ones next, I promise)

AB585-1188.jpg
AB585 again. Some six months later and dismantling has begun. Not the gas axe at this stage so I guess the engine was removed and sold on for further use. And just look at those wagons that are here for cutting! Especially that insulated van.
If only I'd paid more attention to the wagons. But then I wasn't so interested in wagons back then.

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March 89. This general view shows locomotives from no fewer than 8 different manufacturers. The large 0-6-0DE is a class 11 (or was it 12?) BR number 12099, ex BCOE Bowers Row.

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March 95. L-R Hudswell Clarke D810, EEV (English Electric Vulcan Foundry) D1195 and EEV D1194. The latter two being ex- Seaham Harbour Dock Co.

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A better view of D810, taken a few years earlier in 1992. Note the pile of air brake hoses that have been removed from coaches recieved for scrapping.
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#86 Mark Saunders

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 20:16

The photo of AB491, has a NCB wagon body in the background does any one know anything about it as I have never seen any like this other than at/from Mountain Ash!

It seems to have an end door but seems to look lower than a 21 tonner more like a16 tonner.
Lettering and livery as per Yorkshire area.

Any thoughts or alternate photographs please.

Mark Saunders

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 23:17

What a nice read :)

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 21:15

Thanks indeed for this, I was part of the group who bought 12099 from Booth's for the SVR - nice to see her here!

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 18:38

Staying with the scrapyard theme but with a couple of live working locos...

Crossley Evans yard in Shipley. I have previously posted a picture of the pair of 88DS Rustons that were (maybe still are?) parked at the end of a siding there but here are the working locos from the early to mid 90s. Hunslet 0-4-0DH Prince of Wales (HE 7159), ex Esholt sewage works IIRC and Sentinel S10118, ex Kellingley colliery.

This set of pics should be useful for anyone modelling a relatively modern scrap yard.

CE1.jpg
The Sentinel hauling a Standard Rail POA wagon out of the baled scrap bay...

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And then propelling it to join the rest of the train on the departure line. The blue things behind the orange digger at top left of the picture are the inverted frames of Foster Yeoman bogie wagons that have had their hoppers cut off.

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Looking back toward the bridge that straddles the site and from where the previous pictures were taken.

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The baled scrap loading bay with two NCK Rapier cranes with electro-magnets.

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Another view of the same but taken on a day when both locos were not in use.

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The Hunslet shunting a Sheerness Steel PXA bogie wagon. Note also a BR HBA hopper wagon in scrap carrying use.
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#90 Rivercider

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 19:04

Thanks for posting this great compilation, some really interesting views here.

The industrial scene is not one of my main areas of interest,
but I have long been of the view that, for all the glamour of Pacifics and Deltics etc
a lot of the railway bread and butter work was done by the likes of the humble Ruston, Hunslet etc.

I managed a (pathetically) few shots of industrials in the Bristol area in the early 80s

cheers

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 22:06

Keep them coming - nice pics of Crossley Evans at Shipley.
Here's the best pic I could get two years ago.

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Cheers,
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#92 garethevans1986

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 09:32

Any more for any more?

Has anybody got a trackplan of the Stanlow area?

Thanks
GE

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 18:03

brilliant stuff this thread has distracted me even more from what i was planning on modelling!! i'm tempted with a scrapyard themed shunting layout now............

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:46

The photo of AB491, has a NCB wagon body in the background does any one know anything about it as I have never seen any like this other than at/from Mountain Ash!

It seems to have an end door but seems to look lower than a 21 tonner more like a16 tonner.
Lettering and livery as per Yorkshire area.

Any thoughts or alternate photographs please.

Mark Saunders


I don't know where this particular wagon came from but there were some that looked like it at Kellingley colliery. There is one example preserved at the Derwent Valley Railway, which is said to have been a tank wagon when built but the tippler body was built by, or for, the NCB. Unfortunately, as is often the case, they've painted over the crimson livery and NCB lettering and painted grey, numbered as if it as some kind of fake British Railways wagon. Why do so-called preservationists do this with industrial equipment? Is the true history not good enough for them so they have to pretend that everything belonged to BR or the "big four"? It's the same with many Austerity tanks - they paint them black and put fake BR J94 numbers on them. It annoys me to see industrial locos and stock lose their true identity and their history be glossed over like this.

And count to ten.... :angel:

I have found and scanned a few more pics. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel now though...

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YE 2867 at Marcroft's wagon works in Stoke, July 1996.

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A line of, mostly redundant, Yorkshire Janus class locos at Appleby Frodingham, March 1988.

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GEC traction diesel-electrics 5429 and 5462 at British Steel Teeside works, March 1995.

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Thomas Hill 297v tackling the gradient from the BR sidings to Bardon Hill quarry - date unrecorded.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 19:57

I've now got a scanner that can do prints so here are some of the few I took on prints.

This batch were taken during an IRS visit to BSC Shelton in April 1997.

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Thomas Hill "Steelman" 6wDH w/n V316

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Yorkshire "Janus" 0-6-0DE w/n 2772

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Yorkshire 2868 in action.

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Thomas Hill V317 with driver Mr. P. Cleverley. This loco was started up to be moved about and posed for photos and I got to drive it around the works whilst everyone else trudged around in the rain and took photos of it. :locomotive:
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:15

Yorkshire 2628 'Ludstone' now resides at the Foxfield Railway in company with several other ex-Shelton locos. Unfortunately she hasn't worked for many years and is looking a little the worse for wear now. If anyone fancies a restoration challenge.... let me know!

http://www.foxfieldr...locomotives.php

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 22:11


Dave if you have any photos of the hoppers I'd be interested to see them smile.gif

I kept looking but couldn't find the pic but it's turned up. The reason I couldn't find it is because it was a print, not a slide. D'oh!

 

The wagons and the Unimog road-railer
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And the Strachan & Henshaw road-railer at the same site.

 

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#98 James

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 22:25

Dave, thank you for posting these :)

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 22:58

This might seem a odd question,

 

How do they couple the wagons to the UNIMOG??

 

Also did the NCB own any UNIMOGS??

 

The reason I ask is I bought a O gauge model of one,and would like to include it on layout..

 

Thanks



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Posted 10 March 2013 - 19:20

I'm not aware of the NCB having any Unimogs, at least I've never read about them, or seen any pictures of them. I would suspect not though.

 

I would imagine the one in the pictures was coupled to the wagons with some kind of solid drawbar set up.


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