RMweb Premium Welly Posted October 11, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2009 Semaphore signal details and pics - Merged by Welly original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:50 pm It's an ill wind indeed that blows no-one any good. I took advantage of the removed arms on many posts in Lincoln this morning to take detail shots of semaphore signal posts and lamps. Note the different arrangements at the top of the ladders! Hope someone finds them useful... And here is the one removed from Saxilby today. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Horsetan on Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:32 pm Now that new LED head is by Dorman..... __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:05 am On the back of the demise of Lincoln's semaphore signals thread- I hope it might be fun if we might all provide some examples of survivors, - kicking off here with Blea Moor (Settle & Carlisle route) Please join in! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Xerces Fobe1 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:40 am Par Cornwall a couple of years ago Xerces Fobe __________________________________________ Comment posted by 43003 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:41 am Semaphore's at Wymondham.. And a video of the starter towards Peterborugh.. - - __________________________________________ Comment posted by nevardmedia on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:18 am Above: Nice old bracket semaphore, Barnetby, Thur 7th April 2005 Above: Semaphores at Great Yarmouth Tuesday 16 August 2005 Above: Sunset at Reedham Junction, Tuesday 16 August 2005 Above: Engineer working on a semaphore signal at Medstead & Four Marks. Sunday 2 October 2005 Above: Silverlink Metro 150128 passes one of the few remaining manual signals in the capital at Harringay Park Junction with the 2J62 16:08 Barking to Gospel Oak service. This picture was taken from a bridge on the closed 'Edgware, Highgate and London Railway' Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace via Highgate line (now 'The Parkland Walk'). Before the war there were plans to incorporate the Highgate to Finsbury Park section into the London Underground network, this never happened and the line finally closed for good in 1957. In the distance the ECML can be seen crossing over with a First capital Connect service. Wednesday 18 October 2006. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:27 am A little collection taken during a site survey for the new MMRS layout. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Coachmann on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:10 am A few semaphores on the North Wales lines.... LLANDUDNO. LLANRWST ABERGELE ABERGELE ABERGELE HOLYWELL (JUNCTION) coachmann __________________________________________ Comment posted by demufounder on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:00 am Kew East Jn as seen from the A406 __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:10 am Russ - good idea to celebrate the surviving semaphores! My contribution: These are not affected by Lincoln's resignalling. __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:23 am I got this one in a collection of old postcards and pics which I bought a while back, sorry for including 'new' semphores __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:34 pm Four detail views of the onetime bracket at Beverley, Cherry Tree, Up Home, Beverley Station's distant slotted below. Signal new approx week 17 1958, abolished with signal box as Block Post Sun 17 March 1985. Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Tappa on Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:51 pm I wonder when this fella last got pulled off? __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:00 pm Jeff, Never, it's FIXED distant. Mick Nicholson. Tappa wrote: I wonder when this fella last got pulled off? FossIslands30151.jpg __________________________________________ Comment posted by stuartp on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:40 pm Stranraer Harbour, last summer: Looking a bit the worse for wear in the salty conditions. There's a more impressive gantry further along towards the station but I didn't have time to walk down that far. What on earth is that padlock doing there? Looks as though the sighting board swings out of the frame for cleaning. It appears to be hinged at the other end. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Merfyn Jones on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:56 pm Nice to see some of mine on there Coachman. Seem Stranraer suffers as badly as Abergele from the sea. Merfyn __________________________________________ Comment posted by Coachmann on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:11 pm merfyn jones overseeing a semaphore about to hit the deck......... An earlier casualty being pulled off for the last time......cut and run like hell! coach __________________________________________ Comment posted by Merfyn Jones on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:16 pm Perhaps this one should be in the "Pendolinos do not go with semaphore signals" section. Merfyn __________________________________________ Comment posted by 45669 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:04 pm Morning All, In my opinion, the signal gantry at Scarborough still takes some beating : http://ronfisher2.fotopic.net/p46626182.html __________________________________________ Comment posted by Coachmann on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:10 pm Perhaps this one should be in the "Pendolinos do not go with semaphore signals" section Oh I dont know, after all it is loco hauled. coach __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:53 am Barnetby again - bit like taking sweets from a baby here though, at least for now Disused railbuilt post signals at Grain Crossing in the industrial wilds of North Kent beyond Hoo Junction. The distant was probably always fixed. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:23 am On preserved lines, but may be useful all the same Alresford on the Mid-Hants Ex-LBSCR up starter at Sheffield Park on the Bluebell 'New' three doll bracket being built at Horsted Keynes on the Bluebell in 2003 __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:58 am The attached illustrate three very similar ex H&B signals once at Sprotbrough, Denaby Branch. They are all of std Saxby & Farmer components but show detail differences. Apart from details they are identical to the LSWR signal shown earlier. Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:10 pm Underneath and construction details of typical Saxby and Farmer bracket signal. The same parts were also used by other railways. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:16 pm Great to see all these semaphore shots, guys - keep 'em coming! Now the colouring of this picture made me think that was a finescale etched brass signal gantry made up for an MRJ article!! __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted October 11, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2009 Semaphore signal details and pics - Merged by Welly original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:36 pm Welly wrote: Now the colouring of this picture made me think that was a finescale etched brass signal gantry made up for an MRJ article!! I wish! - into the sun and scanned from a print (film cameras, you remember those!) __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:55 pm One from the only company to have proper "drop arms" ex LNWR signal at Ellesmere Port No.2 - 08/08/1981 __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:49 am Who nicked the Spectacle Glasses? Mick beast66606 wrote: One from the only company to have proper "drop arms" ex LNWR signal at Ellesmere Port No.2 - 08/08/1981 das04336.jpg __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:31 pm Attached pics are of the ex Hull & Barnsley bracket of 1885 once at Hull, Springbank North. In June 1939 it aquired a NE arm and then c1950 got two UQ arms. From then on until early 1957 the bracket remained in use with two UQ arms, two H&B Distant arms and one ex NE Slotted post arm. Sorry can't find a decent photo of the bracket, appologies for including two of my model. My reason for posting, to have the arms of three different railways on one signal is unusual. Indeed was this signal the only example? __________________________________________ Comment posted by br2975 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:30 pm And for those who 'dim siarad Cymraeg' or ar 'Saes' ............ it's pronounced 'TONDEE' not 'TONDOO' . Brian R __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:28 am Hull Paragon, May 1937. Ex NE lower quadrant signals of 1904/5, all motor worked, likewise the points. The present Paragon box is under construction at extreme left. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:53 am Ex NE "Iron signal bridge" at West Parade Hull. New c1904 dispensed with 1954. I'm sure Andrew would willingly sell a complete set of etches for anyone so minded to build a model. Getting it to work would be interesting, the real signals used Chain Wheels and not Wire Cranks, no doubt it could be done. To extreme left of picture a NE "Heel" switch, the main lines appear to have been relaid with "Modern" track. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:04 pm TYpical ex LNER Ground Disc Beverley c1983. There's more to a ground signal then a bit of match stick and a disc. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:15 pm __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:52 pm One thats still around, ex MR at Ketton __________________________________________ Comment posted by 62613 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:59 pm micknich2003 wrote: SPRINGBANK NORTH from PASS TRAIN.jpgSPRINGBANK NORTH from PASS TRAIN.jpgSBRINGBANK NORTH 37, 38, 40G.JPG Attached pics are of the ex Hull & Barnsley bracket of 1885 once at Hull, Springbank North. In June 1939 it aquired a NE arm and then c1950 got two UQ arms. From then on until early 1957 the bracket remained in use with two UQ arms, two H&B Distant arms and one ex NE Slotted post arm. Sorry can't find a decent photo of the bracket, appologies for including two of my model. My reason for posting, to have the arms of three different railways on one signal is unusual. Indeed was this signal the only example? So are the stop arms U/Q (apart from the NE one) and the distants L/Q ,or are the distants fixed? __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:02 pm And another one thats long gone Hooton South Junction up Helsby home 2, the doll in the centre used to have a main arm at the top and a lower distant arm (for Hooton North) and read to the down fast, at this time it carried a miniature and read to the run round siding. It's partner on the Down Fast from Chester is visible beyond. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:07 pm Yes, in later years the lower distants were fixed. From c1950 the signal was lefthand and middle doll UQ arms with H&B fixed distants below, right hand doll ex NE as installed June 1939. 62613 wrote: micknich2003 wrote: SPRINGBANK NORTH from PASS TRAIN.jpgSPRINGBANK NORTH from PASS TRAIN.jpgSBRINGBANK NORTH 37, 38, 40G.JPG Attached pics are of the ex Hull & Barnsley bracket of 1885 once at Hull, Springbank North. In June 1939 it aquired a NE arm and then c1950 got two UQ arms. From then on until early 1957 the bracket remained in use with two UQ arms, two H&B Distant arms and one ex NE Slotted post arm. Sorry can't find a decent photo of the bracket, appologies for including two of my model. My reason for posting, to have the arms of three different railways on one signal is unusual. Indeed was this signal the only example? So are the stop arms U/Q (apart from the NE one) and the distants L/Q ,or are the distants fixed? __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:11 pm From c1950 the signal was lefthand and middle doll UQ arms with H&B fixed distants below A gantry which once existed at Green Lane Junction (Birkenhead) had lower quadrant (LNWR) homes and upper quadrant distants ... (fixed of course) __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:19 am Attached picture of a former NE signal fitted with an UQ arm, the lower NE arm remaining but now Fixed. The signal in all probability originated from c1904, the work as seen here was carried out Sunday 20 July 1952. The signal as alltered remained in use until 1964 when Anlaby Road (Hull) signal box closed. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:58 pm At many locations on the former N E Rly "Both-way signals were employed, these as the name suggests read both in and out of the same connection or siding. The arm was painted red with white stripe both sides and as you can see from attached two spectacle plates were fitted. I don't know if any other railway used the same practise. The last former NE example I know of lasted until Dec 1968 and was at Dansom Lane Hull, I can't speak for elsewhere. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:48 pm Mechanical slot etc Beverley, Cherry Tree, c1980. The Distant arm is connected to "Slot" at left of picture, signal wires run in at right of picture and via wire cranks work the respective Balance levers. The "Slot Bar" is under both of these and obviously both respective levers must be Reversed to work them. Putting either lever back normal will depress the slot lever and put the Distant arm to Caution. Apart from the picture hopefully the attached sketchwill explain far better then words. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:27 pm The righthand arm in the conventional manor shows a red light when at Danger and the lower three aspect colour light signal remains un lit. On clearing the arm, the lower "MAS" will show either "Double Yellow", "Yellow" or "Green" depending on the aspect o the "MAS's" in advance. The arm is not fitted with a Green spectacle, so during the hours of "Darkness" an approaching driver with the arm "Off" would actually see "White over "MAS". This is an ex N E Region example, but the same principle was also used elsewhere. I have never seen such a signal applied on a model. Someone, please prove me wrong. __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:15 am Where is it Mick ? is it Cudworth I think there is only us two and stationmaster interested in signalling __________________________________________ Comment posted by amdaley on Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:53 am I'm imterested but I don't know that much about it. Where I come from the only signal you will find is a trafic signal. keep it going. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:12 am beast66606 wrote: Where is it Mick ? is it Cudworth The signal is or was at Cliffe House, signalling two parallel lines, Up Goods Outer Home and Up Main Home, 29 Dec 1989. I think there is only us two and stationmaster interested in signalling There must be other's with a serious interest in signalling. PLEASE JOIN IN. Best Wishes, Mick. __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:09 pm micknich2003 wrote: beast66606 wrote: Where is it Mick ? is it Cudworth The signal is or was at Cliffe House, signalling two parallel lines, Up Goods Outer Home and Up Main Home, 29 Dec 1989. I think there is only us two and stationmaster interested in signalling There must be other's with a serious interest in signalling. PLEASE JOIN IN. Best Wishes, Mick. It would be great if a few more would - then i might eb encourgaed to get scanning a bit more than the Henley pics (no signals in them alas) which a certain gentleman on RMWeb wants for modelling info. I started photgrahing signals back in the 1960s (although many of those pics are on small prints and won't scan well) then went to colour in the '70s and back to b&w in the early '90s when I went all over the place to record a lot of detail on semaphore and colour light signals. Scanning even a small part of that lot will take a lot of time - which Iam being told would be better spent in the garden - but I'm happy to do what I can as I can if folk are interested in it. Coming to 'lower arm colour light distants' they were, of course at one time a 'requirement' at semaphore to colour light signalled transitions, although there were various ways round that one, and they were also used if there was a colour light Intermediate Block Home Signal. I have actually seen photos of one being modelled, many years ago on Bob Symes' Payerbrook & Fairlie layout - which used WR based signalling to quite a good standard. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:19 pm I'm VERY interested in signals - always have been! I think it runs in the family - my late grandfather was a relief signalman / District Inspector at King's Cross up to 1954, and I had various other relatives who were signalmen on the ECML. I used to like making model signals (I posted pictures of some on here not so long ago), but haven't made any recently, or got many photos of real ones in digital form suitable to post on here. Here's one I took on Wednesday, of the gantry at Harrogate. I haven't seen many pictures of this one (certainly no recent ones) which is surprising considering the rarity of semaphore gantries, and the elegance of this particular ex NER specimen. It's not an easy one to photograph and I'm not entirely satisfied with this picture - will have to have another go sometime. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:26 pm Steve, apart from the one at Scarbrough and your picture of Harrogate, I doubt if there are now many other ex NE "Iron Bridges" left in use. Can anyone please supply location or pictures of other survivors? Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 62613 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:22 pm I am also interested in signals (my brother is a bobby, at present at New Mills S.J.) Keep 'em coming! There was a similar arrangement of lower arm colour lights at Phillips Park no.2(IIRC) on the Stalybridge-Miles Platting line. However the particular signal was a bracket, as the lines opened out to quadruple track. There is a phot of another one, on the SR, at Tulse Hill, in 'Signalman's Reflections' by Adrian Vaughan __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted October 11, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2009 Semaphore signal details and pics - Merged by Welly original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:22 am beast66606 wrote: Where is it Mick ? is it Cudworth I think there is only us two and stationmaster interested in signalling Very interested but dont know much about it... -fascinated by semaphores, i quite like the way single arms look in really remote places, hence the blea moor pics in the thread that got merged into this one! so keep chatting- enjoying reading even if I cannot find anything to contribute except pics! That semaphore with MAS head on, I am sure there are other examples in Knottingley/Castleford/Pontefract area, but couldn't tell you exactly where? -there used to be interesting sgnals and elevated 'boxes on the tyne valley (Newcastle to Carlisle) line, be interesting to know if any survive __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:11 am 62613 wrote: I am also interested in signals (my brother is a bobby, at present at New Mills S.J.) Keep 'em coming! There was a similar arrangement of lower arm colour lights at Phillips Park no.2(IIRC) on the Stalybridge-Miles Platting line. However the particular signal was a bracket, as the lines opened out to quadruple track. There is a phot of another one, on the SR, at Tulse Hill, in 'Signalman's Reflections' by Adrian Vaughan Into the 1960s the SR was very punctilious in complying withe the Requirement to use a colour light repeater below the final semaphore signal reading into a multiple aspect signalled area although that attitude seems not to have been followed when the South Western lines out to Bournemouth and beyond were resignalled - probably because the fringes were not densely signalled. In contrast the WR was a bit mixed in its application. Birmingham Snow Hill, resignalled c.1960 was compliant but the Plymouth scheme at almost the same time was ok at one end but not, I believe, at the other. By 1961/62 when the main resignallings were well underway between Hayes and Reading the Requirement was totally ignored and one signal at Reading was fitted with motor worked distant arms to repeat newly installed colour light signals in advance; it remained for 4 years. __________________________________________ Comment posted by stuartp on Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:44 am mines a pint wrote: That semaphore with MAS head on, I am sure there are other examples in Knottingley/Castleford/Pontefract area, but couldn't tell you exactly where? I think Sudforth Lane's distant under Castleford Station's starter was one. It was a long time ago though, it's only a hazy memory. It was resignalled in the 1990s but I thing that particular semaphore/MAS combination had gone before that. I'm interested and I can tell you about the boxes I worked/supervised (including Blea Moor !) and the rules as I learnt them, but not all the regional variations. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:39 am beast66606 wrote: Where is it Mick ? is it Cudworth I think there is only us two and stationmaster interested in signalling But who started this topic here? __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:27 pm But who started this topic here? I did - a couple of years back on an older version of the forum - this is just a copy The idea was to get more people posting pictures ... __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:24 pm Another modern one, although an old signal. Gobowen (North) down home 2. a right mix - ex WR post, complete with finial, upper quadrant arm and motor worked, even though the box is a few yards away (this was done so the wires did not have to be routed under the level crossing) and its corresponding banner. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Tim V on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:55 pm Combe Junction in 1975. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:35 pm beast66606 wrote: Another modern one, although an old signal. Gobowen (North) down home 2. a right mix - ex WR post, complete with finial, upper quadrant arm and motor worked, even though the box is a few yards away (this was done so the wires did not have to be routed under the level crossing) DAS312568.jpg and its corresponding banner. Apart from the signal being an interesting mix of various fittings, the gas lamp left of picture is also worth more then a second glance. Mick. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:07 pm ex WR post, complete with finial, upper quadrant arm and motor worked, Unusual arrangement with the motor at the top of the post, above the arm-I don't think I've seen that before. Presumably to avoid 'tampering' from persons on the platform? __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:04 pm Presumably to avoid 'tampering' from persons on the platform? And probably to avoid little fingers - of all sizes - getting caught as it powers the arm off ! I caught it (and the LQ one featured in the Class 79 thread) on video so it will eventually get to my YouTube __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:19 pm I need to go rummaging for more in my prints and slides box - if I see 'em I'll post 'em __________________________________________ Comment posted by big jim on Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:26 pm beast66606 wrote: Another modern one, although an old signal. Gobowen (North) down home 2. a right mix - ex WR post, complete with finial, upper quadrant arm and motor worked, even though the box is a few yards away (this was done so the wires did not have to be routed under the level crossing) DAS312568.jpg and its corresponding banner. cut,pasted and edited from my reply in from beasts "class 79....." thread the signal on the end of the platform on the down (wrexham direction)is a bit of a pain!! when you aproach gobowen from salop on a stopping unit you normally get the distant on as you will be stopping in the platform, the distant can show a double yellow or a single yellow, you then go round the curve towards the station where there is a signal protecting the branch to oswestry, the next signal is the one on the end of the platform (which has the banner), if this is still on when you arrive (possibly for the barriers being down) you obviously have to wait for it to pull off..... anyway as beast says the signal is on a motor rather than a wire which pulls off very slowly, now going by the rule book if the distant is on when you pass it and a relavent stop signal pulls off slowly as you approch or stop at it you should treat the next signal as being at danger (or something like that anyway!!), unfortunatly before they cut down the trees around the line at gobowen the next signal was barely visible until you were virtually on top of it (plus the fact it was oil fired) so you had to crawl up at 10 mph max just in case it was on, although i never knew it to be at danger!! __________________________________________ Comment posted by timlewis on Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:01 pm From my office window, I have a good view of a fine array of semaphores controlled by Shrewsbury Severn Bridge Junction and a subsidiary box that I can't remember the name of! (I chose my desk when we moved office a few years back: gotta be some advantage for being with the firm for 28 years!). One day I must take some photos: I live in dread that one day I'll turn up for work and they'll be dismantling them. I don't know what the plans are for this, but no doubt they won't last too much longer. (Incidentally, we get around 3 coal trains per day coming up from the South Wales direction and heading off towards Wolverhampton (I believe they head for Rugeley). Not too familiar with proper terms for these modern thingies, but usually a Freightliner 665xx or 666xx (they look the same to me) with about 18-20 100T bogie coal hoppers: the racket they make as the flanges squeal on the check rails around the sharp curve of the triangle is unbelievable, especially on a wet day.) __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:26 pm I don't know what the plans are for this, but no doubt they won't last too much longer. No plans at present. (Incidentally, we get around 3 coal trains per day coming up from the South Wales direction and heading off towards Wolverhampton (I believe they head for Rugeley). Not too familiar with proper terms for these modern thingies, but usually a Freightliner 665xx or 666xx Portbury - Rugeley Here's the down starter that Jim was referring to unfortunatly before they cut down the trees around the line at gobowen the next signal was barely visible until you were virtually on top of it (plus the fact it was oil fired) so you had to crawl up at 10 mph max just in case it was on, although i never knew it to be at danger!! __________________________________________ Comment posted by big jim on Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:35 pm From my office window' date=' I have a good view of a fine array of semaphores controlled by Shrewsbury Severn Bridge Junction and a subsidiary box that I can't remember the name of! try abbey forgate, if i can find them on my computer i have some pics of the inner workings of severn bridge that i took while road learning __________________________________________[/color'] Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:53 am big jim wrote: timlewis wrote: From my office window, I have a good view of a fine array of semaphores controlled by Shrewsbury Severn Bridge Junction and a subsidiary box that I can't remember the name of! try abbey forgate, if i can find them on my computer i have some pics of the inner workings of severn bridge that i took while road learning Should I perhaps start some scanning of the stuff I took while on a 'signal safari' around Salop back in 1993? And the Signalman at crewe Bank was busily fitting a Portescap into the chassis of his heavily modified Hornby streamlined 'Coronation', madea nice change from repairing watches. __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:38 pm The Stationmaster wrote: big jim wrote: timlewis wrote: From my office window, I have a good view of a fine array of semaphores controlled by Shrewsbury Severn Bridge Junction and a subsidiary box that I can't remember the name of! try abbey forgate, if i can find them on my computer i have some pics of the inner workings of severn bridge that i took while road learning Should I perhaps start some scanning of the stuff I took while on a 'signal safari' around Salop back in 1993? And the Signalman at crewe Bank was busily fitting a Portescap into the chassis of his heavily modified Hornby streamlined 'Coronation', madea nice change from repairing watches. Looks like i beat the hordes of requests (if there were going to be any ) next bit is how to do a multiple insert of pics Probably much more of this before I've got there (this is teh second attempt already __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:49 pm Well that wasn't too clever, good job it's a nice signal So I shall try again __________________________________________ Comment posted by big jim on Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:38 pm The Stationmaster wrote: Abbey Foregate Dn Starter the pub signal!! can show 3 indications in the stencil, easy way to remember them L: lager (loop towards sutton bridge) B: bitter (bay platforms) M: mild (main line towards the north) __________________________________________ Comment posted by Dagworth on Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:54 pm Did anyone manage to get any pics of the yellow faced dummy at the Chasewater railway on Saturday? I kept meaning to go and take some but never had time. Andi __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:06 pm Dagworth wrote: Did anyone manage to get any pics of the yellow faced dummy at the Chasewater railway on Saturday? I kept meaning to go and take some but never had time. Andi You wanna picture of a yellow arm dummy sir - whose would you like, WR yellow on white, or WR yellow on black, or LMS type yellow on white (with or without the thin black line between the yellow and the white?), or LNER type? oops - sorry but I don't think I've got an Eastern one although I have got a Southern one but some preservationist chappies have painted the arm in the wrong colours. __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:58 pm And now a few from around the country, starting a fairly long time ago and sorry but only the back of this one Now a move south to one of the latterday areas of semaphore interest on the Southern __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:46 pm Sadly all the semaphores on the Strood - Maidstone West - Paddock Wood line have now gone I think. I used to live in Maidstone and travelled on the line frequently but never got round to taking photos of the signals - or some of the last working 58s for that matter at the Transfesa facility at Paddock Wood Oh, and yes a picture of the Southern yellow arm dummy signal please Stationmaster __________________________________________ Comment posted by Tim V on Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:17 pm Back in the 70s there were lots of GW square post signals around such as at Shrewsbury Abbey Foregate And at Dyffryn Ardudwy tim V __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:29 pm I have a couple of photo's of an "LNER" Yellow disc, but unfortunately can't find a scan. For all intent and purpose they were, apart from the Yellow Band identical to the ones I posted earlier. By the way, anyone know the year the LNER introduced this pattern of "UQ" disc as standard? Closest I can get is c1937. 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RMweb Premium Welly Posted October 11, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2009 Semaphore signal details and pics - Merged by Welly original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by Tim V on Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:07 pm Abbey Foregate in 1978, I know this gantry has gone. Note the ringed arm on the far left. Tim V __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:45 pm Just found a rather poor print of a LNER "Yellow" disc once at Cherry Tree, Beverley. Rather defeats the object being in Black and White, but all them years ago, I could hardly afford film never mind expensive colour processing. Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:07 pm A few details shown here. The signal bridge was new with the signal box c1913. Later redolled and altered by the LNER probably 1935 for allterations carried out when "New Inward Yard" brought into use. Route indicators were brought into use and pressumably at sametime UQ arms fitted. Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:22 pm Here's another picture of the ex H&B bracket I described last week. This is the post 1939 situation with four H&B arms and one NE, from c1950 the two lefthand dolls aquired UQ stop arms, the distants remaining LQ. r __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:46 pm micknich2003 wrote: A few details shown here. The signal bridge was new with the signal box c1913. Later redolled and altered by the LNER probably 1935 for allterations carried out when "New Inward Yard" brought into use. Route indicators were brought into use and pressumably at sametime UQ arms fitted. Signals aside, that's a beautiful photograph. __________________________________________ Comment posted by timlewis on Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:18 pm Tim V wrote: Abbey Foregate in 1978, I know this gantry has gone. Note the ringed arm on the far left. Tim V Yes, this has definitely gone. See the pitched roof building visible under the gantry?: that's the old Morris's bakery for those who know the area, now demolished and is where my office is now, though set back from the railway by another 10yds or so. As you can see, I have a great view of the railway! __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:53 pm The preserved example I believe ex Peterbrough and now at York. Beware, this signal was converted from "Somersault" arms to "UQ" and then converted back, there may be a few minor detail differences. Mick __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:25 pm Probably brought in to use November 1903, at sometime dolls altered and fitted with UQ arms. Originaly, the equivalent of the two discs seen at formation level were miniature signals on the bridge. Mick __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:31 pm Admittedly not signals but still part of the S&T Dept domain. First brought into use c1902 when line Quadruppled, all gates replaced by mechanical lifting barriers worked by wheel c1961. Remains same today, except both slow lines removed late '80's. Mick. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:53 pm Very interesting to see all these pictures of the Hull line, Mick. I regularly go up and down it in the course of my duties and certain aspects seem rather quaint, but how has it changed! The Oxmardyke gates are a classic - only barriers nowadays for the remaining double line, but even they are unusual in being rare examples of that North Eastern Region speciality, the wheel worked level crossing barrier. I know Rigton (Harrogate-Leeds) is similar, but how many others are there? Another NE Region peculiarity is the electric boom crossing. Brough was replaced a short while ago, but Melton Lane still has them - again, are there others? Although I say NE Region, and I think most were, I remember seeing something similar at Parkeston Quay a long time ago. So how did the Oxmardyke gates work exactly? Could the bobby close the fast or slow line gates at will depending which line the next train was on, or did they all work in unison? I seem to think there were similar arrangements in places on the GN, e.g. Tempsford. Seems to be an unneccesary complication! __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:25 am timlewis wrote: Tim V wrote: Abbey Foregate in 1978, I know this gantry has gone. Note the ringed arm on the far left. Tim V Yes, this has definitely gone. See the pitched roof building visible under the gantry?: that's the old Morris's bakery for those who know the area, now demolished and is where my office is now, though set back from the railway by another 10yds or so. As you can see, I have a great view of the railway! If you look back at my pic of 'Abbey Foregate Down Starter' (the one with the theatre route indicator) you will be looking at the signal which replaced 3 dolls (the two with lower arm distants and the doll to their immediate right) on that gantry. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:41 pm 31A wrote: Very interesting to see all these pictures of the Hull line, Mick. I regularly go up and down it in the course of my duties and certain aspects seem rather quaint, but how has it changed! The Oxmardyke gates are a classic - only barriers nowadays for the remaining double line, but even they are unusual in being rare examples of that North Eastern Region speciality, the wheel worked level crossing barrier. I know Rigton (Harrogate-Leeds) is similar, but how many others are there? Another NE Region peculiarity is the electric boom crossing. Brough was replaced a short while ago, but Melton Lane still has them - again, are there others? Although I say NE Region, and I think most were, I remember seeing something similar at Parkeston Quay a long time ago. So how did the Oxmardyke gates work exactly? Could the bobby close the fast or slow line gates at will depending which line the next train was on, or did they all work in unison? I seem to think there were similar arrangements in places on the GN, e.g. Tempsford. Seems to be an unneccesary complication! I have since found out Oxmardyke Crossing was altered to mechanical barriers February 1961, there is also a set at Cave Crossing. I belive when first altered Broomfleet also had them, but now conventional electric barriers. A set was installed at Hessle Haven brand new in April 1975 to form an access road as part of the Humber Bridge project. To best of my knowledge this was the last ever NEW installation of a Gate Wheel and mechanically worked crossing in UK. There was also a set at Lockington and a set remains at Driffield, the later being a bit of a curiosity. Apart from the wheel and three levers the locking frame was removed and replaced with a switch panel. The original Oxmardyke gates were worked by two wheels "Fast Lines and Slow Lines", the wickets were hand worked but locked by levers in signal box. Welton, Melton, Brough, Cave and Broomfleet were the same. The "Boom Gates" you mention were written up and illustrated in "Railway Modeller" many years ago. They were a NE Region invention but also used by the E Region, hence your ref to Parkeston Quay, and the subject of the "RM" article. Locally only the set at Melton survive, other locations were Alexandra Dock, Walton Street and Cottingham North. As an a side, Paragon was the first to loose its level crossing, work started on its abolition Monday 20 Feb 1871 and I would pressume completed in the same year. Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:51 pm Thanks for the info, Mick - very interesting! I didn't realise Cave Crossing had mechanical barriers as well - will try and remember to look a bit more closely next time I go down there. Are you the Paragon bobby who raises a friendly hand to the guard as he goes past? At least I've always ASSUMED it's a friendly greeting... __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:53 pm 31A wrote: Thanks for the info, Mick - very interesting! I didn't realise Cave Crossing had mechanical barriers as well - will try and remember to look a bit more closely next time I go down there. Are you the Paragon bobby who raises a friendly hand to the guard as he goes past? At least I've always ASSUMED it's a friendly greeting... You could be well right, definetly Friendly, we are all Railwaymen. Best Wishes, Mick. __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:58 pm Now for a quiz. Look very carefully at this photograph (apologies for it not being of the highest, or even 'high' quality ) and work out what is unusual about it. And if you happen to recognise the location that doesn't excuse you from working out what is unusual . __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:01 pm GW type post, fitted with upper quadrant arms, at Mallaig of all places I believe! Any ideas WHY? __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:02 pm The Stationmaster wrote: Now for a quiz. Look very carefully at this photograph (apologies for it not being of the highest, or even 'high' quality ) and work out what is unusual about it. And if you happen to recognise the location that doesn't excuse you from working out what is unusual . It's obviously a ex GW signal fitted with UQ arms, but I bet that's not the answer. Mick. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Gloriousnse on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:06 pm Here's a yellow arm shunt signal in colour. Edale, June 1992. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:12 pm 31A wrote: GW type post, fitted with upper quadrant arms, at Mallaig of all places I believe! Any ideas WHY? I am aware that late '50's a couple of ex GW tanks were transferred to Scotland, and also have heard talk of a GW signal or two up there. The later I always thought was "Folk Lore" but obviously not. It may be that in the final years of mechanical signalling only Reading had the capacity to build new signals. Mick Nicholson. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Gloriousnse on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:17 pm One of my personal favourites from Cornwall, the up starter at Liskeard is a rather cute centre pivoted lower quadrant signal on a bracket. __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:59 pm GW type post, fitted with upper quadrant arms, at Mallaig of all places I believe Used to be one at Litchfield City - an LNWR stronghold __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:03 pm micknich2003 wrote: 31A wrote: GW type post, fitted with upper quadrant arms, at Mallaig of all places I believe! Any ideas WHY? I am aware that late '50's a couple of ex GW tanks were transferred to Scotland, and also have heard talk of a GW signal or two up there. The later I always thought was "Folk Lore" but obviously not. It may be that in the final years of mechanical signalling only Reading had the capacity to build new signals. Mick Nicholson. Not my night is it . 31A solved it within minutes but left a question. Now for the information of Young Harry and friends that pic was taken in 1969 so i would hope that the capacity to build new signals was a bit more widely spread than BR's No1 signal works (smashing canteen there Mick, shame but the entire site was flattened some years back and is now a postal sorting office - and they're talking about closing that). So what went on - well not only that signal but the Home reading into the platforms and the Advance Starter (just visible in the distance) were also on standard WR design bracket structures albeit with those UQ arms and some UQ fittings). So were there problems with signal structure supply in Scotland and Reading had some to spare at the right time or was there some sort of long forgotten inter-regional supply scheme in vogue for a while? I believe WR bracket structures also appeared at another place in Scotland although I don't know where and a gantry structure (for colour lights) at Perth also bears a considerable resemblance to the WR design. Answers on a postcard __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:42 pm Back to half decent signals Sealand down starter with Dee Marsh Junction down fixed distant, concrete structure, probably dating from when the LNER resignalled Dee Marsh in the 1930s A certain acrobatic Sandhills based guy is just visible to the right The move observant amongst you might notice the ground signal ... __________________________________________ Comment posted by beast66606 on Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:58 pm Here's a nice signal with a bit of history. An ex LNWR standard wooden post, the ladder has been refitted to the back but is still the original LNWR looped over type. This signal was originally (I think) controlled from a signal box called Dunkirk, which probably stood somewhere towards the second bridge, the one with the blue netting. Dunkirk was abolished in the 1930s and the signal became Dunkirk Down IB distant, now controlled from Mollington, I would guess it was converted to upper quadrant at that time, it also became motor worked and the motor is clearly visible on the front of the post The signal was removed in 1980 when Mollington was abolished. For comparison here's the home signal to which the distant referred, a standard tubular posted U/Q signal (motor worked) - Dunkirk Down IB Home Note the IB plate on the front __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:46 pm Here's the 1957 replacement of the ex H&B bracket at Springbank North Jct, Hull, Oct 1964. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium 31A Posted October 12, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2009 Ah, good to see this one revived - I seem to have made several contributions to it previously but had forgotten about it! Anyway, I've also forgotten how the subject of North Eastern Region 'boom' level crossing gates came into it, but coincidentally on Saturday I discovered another which was new to me, at Redcar Central. Interestingly when closed to the railway both 'booms' are on the same side of the road, so the other side of the road isn't 'fenced off' from the railway at all as is normally the case with gated level crossings. It spans two lines now, but looks as though there were more lines in the past so the booms are quite long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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