Peter Bedding Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Kernow show 2 photographs of one particular O2. The first, as Number 225, is in Bulleid livery, and a close look will reveal that it is motor-fitted (Southern-speak for pull-push operation). The second, as Number 30225 in BR livery, appears to have had this extra Westinghouse equipment removed. Bradley confirms that, as 225, this loco was motor-fitted in 1932.So were the pump and cylinders removed at some time?Just as interesting, Bradley says of this loco that it was painted in unlined Maunsell green, with Bulleid lettering, in December 1939. Would there have been time, before nationalistion, to further repaint a loco in Bulleid black? I guess the answer must be yes, but I have no idea if it were so repainted.Our friends at Kernow have indicated that they are planning to produce the model in Bulleid Black, though I have not seen any statement regarding the motor fittings. However it comes, I am sure that good use can be made of one or more.PB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 2 SR O2's on order already, Now for what goes behind them from Padstow to Bodmin......This is a blind act of faith that the BWT will be so good it will even navigate Peco long radius insulfrog switches and the O2 likewise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Kernow show 2 photographs of one particular O2. The first, as Number 225, is in Bulleid livery, and a close look will reveal that it is motor-fitted (Southern-speak for pull-push operation). The second, as Number 30225 in BR livery, appears to have had this extra Westinghouse equipment removed. Bradley confirms that, as 225, this loco was motor-fitted in 1932. So were the pump and cylinders removed at some time? PB Peter, I think I am correct in saying that 225 had the LSWR pulley-type motor gear at one time too - there is a picture in Martyn Welch's weathering book showing what appear to be the remains of the brackets on the cab roof. I'm not certain when 225 actually lost the air-operated gear, but it did not have it at withdrawal (1962) and none of the photos of it in BR livery which I used for my EM model of it show the gear. My best guess, therefore, is that it lost the fittings at its first post-war overhaul some time in the very late '40s (there's a post-war shot of it at Friary shed in one of the Middleton press books on the Plymouth area - dad has a copy if you want to ask him to check!), or the early '50s. I hope that helps. Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Sounds like minor surgery required on the Southern versions in the future when they arrive on these far distant shores. I will be rendering one as #0200 as used in the Wadebridge Padstow Bodmin lines at least 1945-47. Will have to find detailed allocations for any other O2's in that area 1938-1945. I guess if it was sheded at Exemouth Jct. in that period that would be close enought. toot tooot for now. ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Bedding Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Peter, I think I am correct in saying that 225 had the LSWR pulley-type motor gear at one time too - there is a picture in Martyn Welch's weathering book showing what appear to be the remains of the brackets on the cab roof. I'm not certain when 225 actually lost the air-operated gear, but it did not have it at withdrawal (1962) and none of the photos of it in BR livery which I used for my EM model of it show the gear. My best guess, therefore, is that it lost the fittings at its first post-war overhaul some time in the very late '40s (there's a post-war shot of it at Friary shed in one of the Middleton press books on the Plymouth area - dad has a copy if you want to ask him to check!), or the early '50s. I hope that helps. Adam Good evening Adam. Thanks for the Middleton Press clue. I have just checked their "Branch Lines around Plymouth" volume. Photo number 41 is a mid/late 1930s pic showing 225 in Maunsell passenger livery and Westinghouse fitted. (other photos in this book are of our friend 182, which by the way runs as well as ever). However, as part of the same forage I extracted "Plymouth Steam 1954-1963" from the shelf. On Page 26 there is a 1957 photo of 30225 very clearly without Westinghouse pp fittings. So I think that your conjecture stands scrutiny. For me though, the debate now is to choose between Bulleid black, (1941 onwards) or Bulleid lettering on Maunsell unlined green (limited application between 1939 and 1941). (This is the livery of choice for the L11 currently in the Yeovil erecting shop, and also dare I say it for Set 410, due September.) I applaud Kernow's courage and vision in taking on this particular prototype, and I wish them every success. I fully expect my order to adjust upwards. Meanwhile, patience. PB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 We could start a pool on the date these will arrive in 2012 at Kernow's shop. I would say about May 10,2012 . But I would love to be proved wrong. I am dreaming of the O2's even more than the BWT's that I have had on order since they were first announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I can say they haven't laser scanned Calbourne the only surviving o2, that was due to be done in November / December... but as far as i know it hasn't been done so 2013 is looking likely. I am still looking forward to them when ever they turn up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Nothing new from Kernow on this topic?...Has anyone had a conversation with them on the O2 project not the BWT. I agree there is a plethora of desirable loco's in the next 12-18 months..I would accept the Wainwright C as a temporary substitute for a Black Motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 It's still in the queue and was always going to follow other projects that have taken longer in the queue than originally forecast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Yes along time as far as i know. ... Calbourne still has not been Scanned / lasered and still the IWSR has not been approached with a date. and with the engine in constant steam throughout the summer... i guess it will be November / December before they can take a look at it when its not in service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) [Admin - deleted] The information posted has been confirmed as incorrect by two parties. Edited October 4, 2011 by Andy Y Removal of incorrect information Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Not sure that's accurate Lurker, sorry, duff information. cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Higher!!!!!............Lower!!!!!............ Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 [Admin - deleted] The information posted has been confirmed as incorrect by two parties. Then i was given duff information - I apologise for reporting it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted October 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2011 Latest from the Kernow site is "Late 2012" which gives just over a year from now for No.24 to be scanned and the models developed. That's not unrealistic. The O2 was always going to follow the 600's which are following the now-arriving Beattie well tanks which for well-discussed reasons are roundly a year later than originally anticipated but are said to be very well worth that wait while they were tweaked to such a high standard. We should confidently expect the same of the O2 models in due course. An Adams Radial would be a superb addition to the fleet after that but let's see what else the Kernow boys have in store as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I also believe there's a good deal of work done on the Thumpers in that schedule if I remember rightly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Now that we know what goes behind the O2, which will get here first in 2012? or 2013? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2011 Loco first then coaches maybe 6 months later based upon the timing of Kernow's announcements and work which may already have been done, or otherwise is due very soon, to scan the O2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 In regards to the o2, after much asking when, the Isle of wight o2 will be scanned, Calbourne, has been scanned Last month, As theres little chance of doing it in the winter period due to it being in the works having a motion overhaul which was missed out on the last overhaul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2011 I also believe there's a good deal of work done on the Thumpers in that schedule if I remember rightly. I'll be careful about going . But don't forget they are now being produced by Bachmann not Dapol, so should not affect the timing of other Kernow L/Es with Dapol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRs1962 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Does anyone know how the devopment of the 02 is progressing?? Has Calbourne been scanned? With all the well deserved praise for the BTW, all seems to have gone quiet on this - unless I've missed something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Yes it was scanned last year sometime in October so Ive been told by the Isle of wight railway staff, as it was done before it went in for a V&P exam, which is currently still on going last time i was there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted February 9, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2012 No recent news (the weathered D63xx are due in on the boat any day, the weathered JIAs close behind and the 600s are apparently next cab off the rank) but one good way to be kept up to date is to subscribe to the Kernow MRC newsletter here http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/index.html?action=22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Kernow Model Rail Centre Adams O2 Steam Locomotive Press Release Please find attached the first cad-cams which we have recently received from China. We are still working on these and there will no doubt be corrections or amendments to be made. These have been produced from the data collected during the laser scan of Calbourne carried out at the Isle of Wight Steam Railway last autumn. Once we have amended these with any corrections required we will move on to produce individual cad-cams for each variant to be produced. Unfortunately the cost of tooling these models has risen by almost 40%, mainly due to the changes in labour conditions and working practices in China. We regret that we cannot absorb a price rise of this magnitude and so we have been forced to increase the price of the O2 model to £119.99. This price will be reduced to £104.99 for pre-orders placed prior to delivery of the final model. We will continue to honour the pre-order price for our loyal customers who had already pre-ordered this model prior to July 2012, subject to no taxation changes such as VAT increases. In response to demand we have added an additional variant to the five models previously announced. This will be number 30193 with an early emblem for the benefit of modellers who want an early emblem O2 without push-pull equipment. We have received many requests for a push-pull fitted O2 with late crest, but to date we have not been able to establish that such a version ever existed! Should positive information about this come to light we will certainly consider this request. Realistically we do not think it likely that these models will be available before the end of this year and think it more likely that they will now be delivered during 2013. The six versions now available for pre-orders are as shown below: - K2101 Dapol 0-4-4 Class O2 Steam Locomotive number 24 "Calbourne" in BR Black livery with early emblem £119.99 (£104.99 for pre-orders). K2102 Dapol 0-4-4 Class O2 Steam Locomotive number 16 "Ventnor" in BR Black livery with late crest £119.99 (£104.99 for pre-orders). K2103 Dapol 0-4-4 Class O2 Steam Locomotive number 30182 in BR Black livery with early emblem and push-pull equipment £119.99 (£104.99 for pre-orders). K2104 Dapol 0-4-4 Class O2 Steam Locomotive number 30225 in BR Black livery with late crest £119.99 (£104.99 for pre-orders). K2105 Dapol 0-4-4 Class O2 Steam Locomotive number 225 in Southern Black livery £119.99 (£104.99 for pre-orders). K2106 Dapol 0-4-4 Class O2 Steam Locomotive number 30193 in BR Black livery with early emblem £119.99 (£104.99 for pre-orders). Pictures of K2102 to K2106 are Copyright and courtesy of Colour-Rail. We have a dedicated page on our website with further information about our Class 02 model: - http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/page/58/Adams_O2_Steam_Locomotive Updates are also given to subscribers to our weekly newsletter http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/index.html?action=22 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Thought: if the same chassis principles (as used on the Beattie Well Tank) are being employed, will this one also be very difficult to convert to P4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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