The Black Hat Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 Well, I don't know about you, but Black Hat's post looks tongue-in-cheek to me ... and as if the manufacturers read and take note of every post ... you're painting a picture of some kind of modelling "Big Brother" with its eye on every minor thread on a web forum, taking note of off-the-cuff random remarks, and then saying, "Well, that's it, no toys for the rude boys in the north-east". I didn't realise that posting things on a public forum as part of an on-going conversation constituted an "approach to the manufacturers"?* David (another one) Tyneside *Well, seeing as the all-seeing eye of officialdom is apparently reading this thread, can I have my bins emptied a couple of hours later, and would the Bridge Hotel put Old Rosie back on the bar please? Thankyou, the used fivers are in the envelope in the usual place. Yes the original post about Midland rubbish and dross being produced was meant to be more witty and light hearted. If other people want those models fine, but for those of us up here.... its going to be a quiet year... So I'd recomend Camerons Strong Arm, or some Theakstons rather than Old Rosie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Old Rosie's great. They have a steam roller on the pump clips and bottles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 10, 2010 Author Share Posted March 10, 2010 Each to their own! So, whos getting the first round in then? Have to have some Scampi Fries too while we are on...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hmm, as I've got a Derby Lightweight kit ready to start, I'm a bit miffed... Midland 3F? Popular loco, although I do take the point about it not being from this area . Ugly? Well, not as much as the 4F, for sure, but that's another topic . I'd have preferred the H-boilered one, but there you go I'm sure that the J21, J27 etc will appear in due course though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 I really do reckon we'll get some more suitable 0-6-0s for our own manor if the 3F is a success. Think of it as a test prototype for greater things! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted March 11, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2010 If you're interested in ex-NER territory, what about N gauge? Union Mills do (from time to time) D20/J25/J26/J27 as well as the J39. No J21 (perhaps the tender is too small to fit their preferred drive) but still quite a selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 Shame they arent in 00 gauge.... I dont know why areas with rich industrial heritage are not modelled, especially those with such a long relationship with railways. Like the North East... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mr.S.corn78 Posted March 13, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2010 I dont know why areas with rich industrial heritage are not modelled, especially those with such a long relationship with railways. Like the North East... Hi, not wishing to point out the obvoiuse but it is a limited market. Don't get me wrong there are people out there who want industrial items but compaired to the overall market share then i would sick my neck out to say its 1% or even possibly less of the SMALL railway modeller market in the UK. cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 and a newly tooled 142! I'll second that, the recent computer mock-up of a manufacturer's N-gauge effort looked superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Hi, not wishing to point out the obvoiuse but it is a limited market. Don't get me wrong there are people out there who want industrial items but compaired to the overall market share then i would sick my neck out to say its 1% or even possibly less of the SMALL railway modeller market in the UK. cheers Simon I don't believe David was specifically requesting 'industrials', Simon. I think the remark was lamenting the fact that an important industrial area (specifically in railway terms the North Eastern), is largely unrepresented in terms of off-the-shelf model railway equipment. That however, I am convinced, will change significantly over the next two to three years though. Change is most certainly in the air! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 Hey Id love to see both..... I was not thinking of many industrial locomotives, such as Peckett saddle tanks, or Hunslett ones too... but rather the fact that a lot of industrial heritage like of coal mines, railway sidings like those of Shildon, wagon works, steel plants, steel foundires rarely gets a mention, nevermind being modelled. As a result, the scene isnt there for the North Eastern engines Id like to see made, but neither really are branch line operations possible, given the lack of locomotives there too. While other regions engines found their way to our part of the world, you still need kits to make a NE region layout look the part.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted March 15, 2010 Author Share Posted March 15, 2010 Meanwhile on a modern front.... yeah that 142 looked amazing! Shame the detail cant be transposed to an 00 gauge model - even if Simon is out fitting one with lights for me! Hope a new one even has a bounce.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 So.... how are all those North Eastern area modellers doing at the moment, whether your modelling the north east like me, or are in the north east modelling somewhere else...... Right now, being a stauch supporter of north eastern heritage, and the advancement of the ideas that north east engines should be produced for the masses in model form..... Ive got a BR Green Early crest, Castle class locomotive on the desk! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durham light infantry Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 So.... how are all those North Eastern area modellers doing at the moment, whether your modelling the north east like me, or are in the north east modelling somewhere else...... Right now, being a stauch supporter of north eastern heritage, and the advancement of the ideas that north east engines should be produced for the masses in model form..... Ive got a BR Green Early crest, Castle class locomotive on the desk! Well, the North Eastern had brass cabside numberplates... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Alas, "life" has got in the way - no modelling at all for about a year. BUT, I have boarded out the loft, so sooner or later I'm going to get around to something. Afraid it will be well south of the River Tees, however. More south of the Thames in fact ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 Alas, "life" has got in the way - no modelling at all for about a year. BUT, I have boarded out the loft, so sooner or later I'm going to get around to something. Afraid it will be well south of the River Tees, however. More south of the Thames in fact ... Hope you enjoy building your layout but can I ask.... 1. Is your choice of area based or influenced on what stock and locomotives are available to model that area? 2. That you might want to model the North East but no models are available to model the full range? 3. Theres more of a family/childhood/personal connection involved and its a matter of preference? 4. Or a combination of all of the above? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Firmly based in Co Durham, but still amassing "stuff" for the one day East Midlands colliery layout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Plodding along slowly, have made recent updates to both Scotswood and Kerseycleugh for anyone interested in taking a peek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Hope you enjoy building your layout but can I ask.... 1. Is your choice of area based or influenced on what stock and locomotives are available to model that area? 2. That you might want to model the North East but no models are available to model the full range? 3. Theres more of a family/childhood/personal connection involved and its a matter of preference? 4. Or a combination of all of the above? No problem asking! 1. No. I laid the basis of my plans well before everyone and his modelling dog starting producing RTR third-rail EMUs and Southern locomotives. Hornby had only just upgraded their original Bulleid pacific! 2. I've thought that a model of part of one of the colliery lines would be interesting, but I'd build kits if necessary. 3. I used to live south of the river. 4. This wasn't a series of questions was it? ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 No problem asking! 1. No. I laid the basis of my plans well before everyone and his modelling dog starting producing RTR third-rail EMUs and Southern locomotives. Hornby had only just upgraded their original Bulleid pacific! 2. I've thought that a model of part of one of the colliery lines would be interesting, but I'd build kits if necessary. 3. I used to live south of the river. 4. This wasn't a series of questions was it? ;-) Thanks for that. Its just that I understand people want to model different areas, even if they are not from there. Modelling is all about individual choice and that difference is a cause for celebration. We can all admire each others perspectives on layouts and how they are run, engines used, etc. Yet, I think that the availability of stock to model an area is a factor in the decision for whether people choose some areas. While a fair few, like yourself would have a personal reason and connection with an area, it means that its possible that other people in other areas, could choose to model the North East, should the appropriate stock and locos be made available. Im passionate about the north east, and champion the idea that it would not take much to make modelling the north east easily possible, if a few engines of north eastern heritage were produced for steam locomotives. Its easier as DMUs and standardisation in locomotives mean that modern image caters for just about everywhere. My real interest is in being able to run both steam and diesel and my layout is based upon a preserved railway meeting a national connection. The thread for it is here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/14497-bishop-auckland/page__p__133758__fromsearch__1&?do=findComment&comment=133758 Even preservation has problems with the sheer number of north east engines, and wider eastern region area locomotives that were scrapped too quickly. Darlington, for all its finesse at building locomotives, was also too eager to rive them appart. As a result, a Black 5, being a lovely workhorse is now as much an adopted Eastern loco for the sheer frequency with which they are assosiated with preserved lines, such as the NYMR, deep into the North East shedcodes. We now see other region engines there to boost the numbers. If its in BR green with a crest most people dont notice the difference. Standards certainly look right anywhere. I was impressed with Olly Cromwell at Battersby... looked very nice! As a result, my choice for the engine "thats definately looking out of place" has become a Hornby model of a Great Western Castle class locomotive... which are fine locos too. Ive chosen the preserved 5080 Defiant to be the subject for the model, the name seeming fitting given its appearence up no'th on my line. I like looking at other areas, models of them too, and personally sypathise with areas that are clambering for the models theyd wish to have too. Id just hope that companies see the prospects for growth and the scope of models that could be made for a north eastern ish area layout... being down to the likes of Yorkshire, Humberside etc too. That way people both from round here and in other areas could model the area more. That said if people want to model other areas, then as I said at the start its up to them. Together, we are here to admire each others work, and to share an interest.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 Firmly based in Co Durham, but still amassing "stuff" for the one day East Midlands colliery layout... Including one former North Eastern stalwart if I recall correctly..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 very true, thanks David! along with lots of Austerities (including standard, gas producer and giesl fitted ones), an orange Jinty, blue and green panniers, maroon 04 and blue class 14 (a North Eastern survivor transferred south) plus a Knightwing Sentinel and whatever else I decide to do horrid things to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 very true, thanks David! along with lots of Austerities (including standard, gas producer and giesl fitted ones), an orange Jinty, blue and green panniers, maroon 04 and blue class 14 (a North Eastern survivor transferred south) plus a Knightwing Sentinel and whatever else I decide to do horrid things to... Sounds like an impressive group of locomotives. Just wondering what shade of grime some of them might end up as, or is your Colliery the one that prides itself on its fleet and they are all clean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hadyn Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Oh, I intend a good degree of filth with a couple of clean-ish locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 Oh, I intend a good degree of filth with a couple of clean-ish locos. I intend to put 51F on this Castle Ive just bought.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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