goodmayes Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Thirded! Something that strange-looking should not be allowed to lurk in quiet corners. With all the lovely overhead support in place, this looks like a freelance trolleybus opportunity, just waiting to burst through. Even the "right" number of rear axles. Have to lose that snout though Ted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Trolleybuses need two overhead wires! There is only one for the tram. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 Thanks for that, Brian...the info and the photo! Re-the tram? What make is it [hope I'm not considered presumptuous if it is scratch-built?} Can you tell us [me?] more regarding the overhead wire? [ie, is it tensioned, or simply nailed down?] As you will have gathered by now the tram is Kato (much better than the Liliput one). Regarding the oh line there is a piece I put in the Tramway modelling thread under 'First tram #25' and in 'Exhibitions / scaleforum 2012 # 294 which may be of interest, hope this helps, Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullsteamer Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 No not at all at all, and that's quite right. I would have preferred a different version but thats all I could get at the time. The other side of the tram I have 'un Japaned' and placed a Jagermeister add over the squiggly writing, Brian A very appropriate choice of ad. I've been scanning photos of German tramcars from some of the colour books in my collection, and the most common seem to be either for beer or coffee. Two beverages I'm rather fond of... Looking at the photos in your "First Tram" thread, I was quite taken with your little tram depot. What did you use to build that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) Trolleybuses need two overhead wires! There is only one for the tram. You've not seen the Translor (I think) trolley bus system then. Single contact wire - return through a single guide/contact rail in the pavement. Brian Edited November 4, 2012 by Brian Harrap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted November 4, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 4, 2012 You've not seen the Translor (I think) trolley bus system then. Single contact wire - return through a single guide/contact rail in the pavement. Brian See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translohr for details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted November 5, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2012 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translohr for details. I wonder if anything like this has been proposed in the UK. ..also another interesting system http://en.wikipedia....d_Light_Transit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 John, You might well ask! Back in my 'yoof' whilst serving the good populous of Hertfordshire, we had a proposal using what was then termed as 'Guided Light Transit' (but essentially the same as Translohr) to create the Central Herts Rapid Transit system. This would have run from Watford Town Centre, along the route of the St Albans Abbey branch, then via the centre of St Albans to Hatfield. We actually got a reasonable way towards establishing a business case, the theory being that the end product was cheaper to construct than a tramway, and the vehicles could actually come 'off the rails' and run as semi-conventional buses to expand the network. In the end, the project hit the buffers because of two specific local factors - the unacceptable nature of 'wires in the street' to the good folk of St Albans, and the Holy Grail of through trains to Euston for supporters of the Abbey Line. The project was therefore abandoned towards the end of the 1990s. 15 years later, and traffic is even worse in St Albans, and the Abbey Line still stops at Watford Junction! What price progress? Regards, Geraint 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 A very appropriate choice of ad. I've been scanning photos of German tramcars from some of the colour books in my collection, and the most common seem to be either for beer or coffee. Two beverages I'm rather fond of... Looking at the photos in your "First Tram" thread, I was quite taken with your little tram depot. What did you use to build that? The tram depot on QUAI:87 is a straight forward plasticard job as are all the buildings on the layout, copied from one I saw on my travels although mine doubles up as a bus depot as well. One day I'll get the oh line into the building. Thank you for your interest, Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted November 14, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) Sifting through some photos earlier........ Arrived in the hall at Railex Aylesbury on the Sunday morning to find that some damn fool had parked their barge slap bang in the middle of the canal - blocking all the swing bridges. What swine did that..... agents Harrap and Nevard of Interpol investigate Jerry We were exhibiting next door and 'never saw nufink - honest!' Edited November 14, 2012 by queensquare 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Looks like a job for Inspector Clueless to me. Since this incident double yellow line have been painted on the water. Brian. Edited November 18, 2012 by Brian Harrap 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Fundemental trackwork design error on QUAI:87 It became clear soon after I had installed the thing that the crossover at the end of the tramway wasn't right. The crossover has nothing to do with the tram line (the track on the left) however but is to allow for a shunting run round loop to the right which winds its way through, between and under the commercial premises on the quayside. (Buildings not replaced since S4um when pic taken). Just how I came to make this mistake I'm not exactly sure but the crossover being arranged as it is means that the headshunt, to the right, cannot be used as a siding to park a wagon or two (never got enough of them). Much better to have the crossover of the other hand so that the tram stop could be used as part of the run round. Having suffered this inconvenience at a couple of shows I have resolved to rebuild the crossover to the other hand. I shall do this as it might have been done in the real world leaving the two points in situ but locked out of use and the middle bit as it were, dug up and replaced with the new diagonal and make a scenic feature of it. Cobbles dug up/replaced with Tarmac, you know the sort of thing. Still with me? I could make the whole thing into a scissors but that would be a bit ordinary and be of no operational advantage. Making a start soon. Note. The upstanding reed switch between the tracks is hidden in one of the support columns of the building that spans the tracks just here and is to activate the tram auto shuttle circuit and will not be affected by the new arrangements. Aside. I am aware that heavy rail and tramway tracks don't really mix in the period modelled, wheel profile, flangeway differences etc, but I am happy to overlook all that for the sake of having it how I like it. Anything but start a new layout. Brian. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brian Harrap Posted December 13, 2012 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Update on the pesky wrong way round crossover. The new crossover has now been installed and a good bit of the cobbling done.(I love the 'continental' fan cobbling. Cobbling should look better and more pronounced when coloured). I have tried to make a scenic(?) feature of this rebuild by leaving the old crossover in and tarmacing over where the old diagonal track has been taken out. The turnouts to the left I have made as (or my interpretation of) tramway trackage with just a small flangeway lip of thin n/s strip to represent proper tramway rail with the fangeway itself filled in to flange depth and painted my favourite crud colour. (How I dislike being able to see down the gap to the sleepers and baseboard beneath). I have done the same with the 'heavy rail' dock trackage to the right although in this case using ordinary rail for the flangeway. The tram frogs I have built up to try and represent the cast type used on tram track, with ordinary built up frogs on the other track. I like the contrast between the two types, and where the two types of flanged rail meet halfway across the crossover, ignoring any incompatabilty issues. The blades (single) on both types of turnout I have made to represent the short special shaped cast ones pivoted to diverging rail and the associated flangeway rail. The mal-aligned rails between the two turnouts to the right was not planned but I didn't correct it when laying as I thought it looks like what you so often see in real situations like this. The rowing boat high and dry on the quayside? that's a point lever of course, may get the local kids to plant some flowers in it later. Brian. Edited December 13, 2012 by Brian Harrap 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Did I hear the words 'War Surplus' whispered somewhere.....? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Brian, I'm going to ruin your day(s)... The points you use are the US style single-blade trolley versions. They are fully prototypical, on a US style layout Not so on the European Continent... Fortunately Andy Reichart supplies an auxiliary kit to make a set of double bladed points for his street track system. Oops.........Travelled around Europe quite a bit.........perhaps I had better get my eyes tested and my camera seen to, Brian.Esberg Denmark Edited December 13, 2012 by Brian Harrap 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Maybe not mainstream, but then I don't do mainstream, Brian. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Not QUAI:87 but a picture I came across of something I did a little earlier that I thought I'd share with you.........it may be old hat now but some of you may not have seen it.........anyway here goes, Brian 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Dual gauge, overhead and a ferry? More please!Cheers,David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Not QUAI:87 but a picture I came across of something I did a little earlier that I thought I'd share with you.........it may be old hat now but some of you may not have seen it.........anyway here goes, Brian I know you are very dismissive of the skills required for tracklaying but I'd like to come over and take some lessons! What scale and gauge(s) is that, Brian? Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2012 Oops.........Travelled around Europe quite a bit.........perhaps I had better get my eyes tested and my camera seen to, Brian.Esberg Denmark.jpgEsberg Denmark Ha! I reckon he took that one in his bedroom! (not sure about the pink wallpaper, though...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2012 Please can we have some close-ups Brian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2012 Please can we have some close-ups Brian. Er, that'll be of the new pointwork, not the pink wallpaper... :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sidecar Racer Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2012 Like using Google Earth , good innit ' . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted December 29, 2012 Author Share Posted December 29, 2012 Dual gauge, overhead and a ferry? More please! Cheers, David Hello David, that's triple (count 'em) gauge.......couple more pics to follow, Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted December 29, 2012 Author Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) I know you are very dismissive of the skills required for tracklaying but I'd like to come over and take some lessons! What scale and gauge(s) is that, Brian? Best, Pete. Hello Pete, It's HO/ P87 again, from some 30 years back. Standard (16.5mm) metre (11.49) and 76cm (8.73mm), catenary 6.3m (7.3mm) above railhead (all strung straight between mast fixings - no curved bits). I may be able to save you the time and effort of lugging over the pond for lessons by respectfully offering the following regarding track building:- 1. think through exactly what you are going to do and how you're going to do it. 2. be exeeding neat 3. take your time and then some more time. all the best, Brian. Edited December 29, 2012 by Brian Harrap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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