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Lynton and Barnstaple Railway in 1961.




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#1 45669

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 19:03

Evening All,

As some of you may remember, I had some pictures of the L & B trackbed taken in 1961 on my Fotopic website.

With the disappearance of Fotopic, those pictures disappeared too. However, I have now uploaded them to my new photo album on Flickr so if anyone didn't see them on Fotopic, and would like to see them now, here's the link :



Hope that they are still of interest.
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 21:29

They are Ron. Unfortunately I can't add comments on Flickr. That's because I do not want to sign up to them. Period. I dislike this "social media" crap. Sorry!

Anyway, some comments on the last photo in that stream, the one you question as being Parracombe: yes, it is. The parapet on the right is the (present day) A39 and with these coordinates you can find the approximate (!!) location of your position when taking the photo in Google Earth or Maps: 51° 10.893'N, 3° 54.626'W Enable the Streetview function and you can see what it looks like today (well, at the time the photo was made ;)) :)

One question on the first photo, the one at Barnstable Station: I can't find its location as the area has been redeveloped extensively in the intervening 4 decades and the present day railway station is located on the opposite side, and quite a distance, of the water. Using Streetview, are there any references (buildings?) on that photo still existing today?

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 22:28

They are Ron. Unfortunately I can't add comments on Flickr. That's because I do not want to sign up to them. Period. I dislike this "social media" crap. Sorry!

Anyway, some comments on the last photo in that stream, the one you question as being Parracombe: yes, it is. The parapet on the right is the (present day) A39 and with these coordinates you can find the approximate (!!) location of your position when taking the photo in Google Earth or Maps: 51° 10.893'N, 3° 54.626'W Enable the Streetview function and you can see what it looks like today (well, at the time the photo was made ;)) :)

One question on the first photo, the one at Barnstable Station: I can't find its location as the area has been redeveloped extensively in the intervening 4 decades and the present day railway station is located on the opposite side, and quite a distance, of the water. Using Streetview, are there any references (buildings?) on that photo still existing today?


Thanks for the tip. I had a look at Streetview; it's possible to roughly work out where I was, but trees and shrubs have grown up since I was there in 1961.

The present day Barnstaple station used to be Barnstaple Junction. The station in my picture was Barnstaple Town on the north side of the river. See :

http://en.wikipedia....railway_station

As it says, the signal box is still there :



and the station building is now a school :



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Posted 11 June 2011 - 22:51

One question on the first photo, the one at Barnstable Station: I can't find its location as the area has been redeveloped extensively in the intervening 4 decades and the present day railway station is located on the opposite side, and quite a distance, of the water. Using Streetview, are there any references (buildings?) on that photo still existing today?

Its not easy to spot the route of the Ilfracombe line where it threaded along the riverside in Barnstaple; but this link should show the location on Google Maps.

Barnstaple Town station was just above Castle Quay; the long building with the grey slate roof is the station building, now surrounded by modern flats. The carpark is on the site of the platform and exchange sidings. The L&B curved round parallel to North Walk, where the Council building is, and then alongside the river Yeo, crossing Rolle Street and Pilton Causeway by level crossings, to Pilton Yard where the next carpark is.

Streetview shows;
Town Station from the road, Site of Rolle Street Level Crossing looking South, the line ran along the left side of the building. Site of Pilton Causeway Level Crossing Look closely at the wall, the cast iron caps from the crossing gateposts have been retained and placed on top of the wall, either side of the low section. A little further along Pilton Causeway, This Carpark is the site of Pilton Yard.

This website http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html will show how the old route. Put Barnstaple into the search box, scroll down the right-hand list and select the 1932 map, and then zoom in.
Hope this helps,
Dave.

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 23:23

Thx gents, much appreciated! :yes:

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 19:49

Amazing photos from the 60's - I felt really choked viewing them for some reason, not sure why.

I discovered this old railway this year in April . Up to that point I had zero interest in it. There's just something about it!

Heres some pics I took. Hope they are of interest

Near Bratton Flemming
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Nr The Viaduct
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Nr Bratton

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Viaduct behind me, looking towards Barnstable

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Again NR Bratton


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BY Viaduct

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Old Rail!
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Nr former Bridge over Mill Lane
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I have others if anyone is interested in seeing them.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 23:43

Sure am! Please do post more, lovely to see! One question on the image with track: is that the current preserved line or a remnant of bygone days? IIRC the entire line was lifted in 1935/36...

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 07:43

Dutch, glad you liked the pics. That bit of line seems to be a private piece of track in the Bratton Flemming area. I can't tell you anymore than that really. It could be seen only from a couple of similar road ober rail bridges in the area. In fact I suspect one of the pics from the 1960's might have show the same road bridge minus track underneath.

This shot is of Collar Bridge which is North of Snapper. This is looking North towards Lynton
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North of Chelfham Station looking towards Barnstable
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Same location (give or take a few yeards) Looking towards Lynton
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Collar Bridge looking towards Lynton
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Mill Lane missing bridge (Bratton)
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:03

Lovely stuff, very nostalgic. More please!!!

A question, the fifth picture down, of the abutment labelled "Near Bratton", is that the site of Lancey Brook Viaduct? I believe the viaduct itself was demolished during the war as an Army exercise.

Many thanks,
Dave.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:13

Lovely stuff, very nostalgic. More please!!!

A question, the fifth picture down, of the abutment labelled "Near Bratton", is that the site of Lancey Brook Viaduct? I believe the viaduct itself was demolished during the war as an Army exercise.

Many thanks,
Dave.

Dave to be honest I'm not sure, it could be. IF I remember correctly we are west of Bratton at this point, Is that where it was situated?

Has anyone else got any pics of the trackbed? Just thought that it would be great to put them all together in order if there was more out there! (There must be)

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 11:23

Dave to be honest I'm not sure, it could be. IF I remember correctly we are west of Bratton at this point, Is that where it was situated?

Er yes. Look at this map of Bratton Fleming and zoom in, it goes to the larger scale map. Mill Lane is labelled and the location of Mill Lane bridge (your final photo) is clear. I'm pretty sure that Lancey Brook viaduct was in the wooded valley just south-west (towards Barnstaple) of the bridge, .
There are very few photos of this viaduct around, as its location is away from roads and footpaths.

Thanks,
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 12:37

Er yes. Look at this map of Bratton Fleming and zoom in, it goes to the larger scale map. Mill Lane is labelled and the location of Mill Lane bridge (your final photo) is clear. I'm pretty sure that Lancey Brook viaduct was in the wooded valley just south-west (towards Barnstaple) of the bridge, .
There are very few photos of this viaduct around, as its location is away from roads and footpaths.

Thanks,
Dave.

Righteo, well that looks right because that photo was taken just to the left of where it says Pennyall on the map.
I must go and find the pic of that viaduct now, that's intriguing. I picked up a relice from that location too. Not sure what it is . I will take a pic and post it to see if anyone can identify it.

Oh, also, that pic where the track is down in situ was taken at the point North of Bratton just above where on the map it says Button

Some railway all in all wasn't it, Dave?

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 09:38

There does indeed appear to be a private miniature railway using some part of the old trackbed around Bratton, but I have no details of it.

Who is now reponsible for the upkeep of the viaduct and overbridges? Successor companies are responsible for the maintenance of structures in a safe state ( hence the common demolition of decks for disused overbridges ) - I'm interested to see at least one overbridge still apparently complete and the whole viaduct in place.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:42

There does indeed appear to be a private miniature railway using some part of the old trackbed around Bratton, but I have no details of it.

I remember seeing film of a 7.25" gauge railway using part of the trackbed some years ago. The builder was running a Tinkerbell and I'm sure the track went under a bridge at one point. It may have been in the Going Loco series which dates it somewhat. I have no idea if this railway is still in place.

Geoff.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 19:14

There does indeed appear to be a private miniature railway using some part of the old trackbed around Bratton, but I have no details of it.

Who is now reponsible for the upkeep of the viaduct and overbridges? Successor companies are responsible for the maintenance of structures in a safe state ( hence the common demolition of decks for disused overbridges ) - I'm interested to see at least one overbridge still apparently complete and the whole viaduct in place.


I gather that the bridges were taken over by Devon County Council, which presumably remains responsible for them.

It's normal under these circumstances for something to be written into the agreement to the effect that if the railway is ever revived, responsibility for the bridges will return to it. However, when the Welsh Highland went under, Carnarvonshire County Council - as it then was, and using the then-spelling - forgot this last bit, and so still I believe remains responsible for the Welsh Highland's bridges to this day!

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 20:31

I remember seeing film of a 7.25" gauge railway using part of the trackbed some years ago. The builder was running a Tinkerbell and I'm sure the track went under a bridge at one point. It may have been in the Going Loco series which dates it somewhat. I have no idea if this railway is still in place.

Geoff.


The railway pictured is the 2ft gauge replacement for this 7.25" line.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 10:30

I gather that the bridges were taken over by Devon County Council, which presumably remains responsible for them.

It's normal under these circumstances for something to be written into the agreement to the effect that if the railway is ever revived, responsibility for the bridges will return to it. However, when the Welsh Highland went under, Carnarvonshire County Council - as it then was, and using the then-spelling - forgot this last bit, and so still I believe remains responsible for the Welsh Highland's bridges to this day!


braver man than me, to express any opinion as to whether the Welsh Highland is alive, dead or any other thing!

Surely the position regarding the original L&B would be that it was incorporated within the Southern Railway at the Grouping and hence any remaining assets nationalised?

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 09:08

braver man than me, to express any opinion as to whether the Welsh Highland is alive, dead or any other thing!

Surely the position regarding the original L&B would be that it was incorporated within the Southern Railway at the Grouping and hence any remaining assets nationalised?


The WHR is surely officially alive, the remaining assets having, I believe, been bought from the Official Receiver.

The Brown, Prideaux and Radcliffe book on the L&B states categorically that Devon County Council took over responsibility for 12 road bridges; the viaducts seem to have remained as SR property, and no doubt ultimately went to BR unless / until they were sold off.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 09:27

The Brown, Prideaux and Radcliffe book on the L&B states categorically that Devon County Council took over responsibility for 12 road bridges; the viaducts seem to have remained as SR property, and no doubt ultimately went to BR unless / until they were sold off.

When the L&B Trust took over Chelfam Viaduct a few years ago, I'm pretty sure it was from Railtrack
Dave.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 13:55

The WHR is surely officially alive, the remaining assets having, I believe, been bought from the Official Receiver.

The Brown, Prideaux and Radcliffe book on the L&B states categorically that Devon County Council took over responsibility for 12 road bridges; the viaducts seem to have remained as SR property, and no doubt ultimately went to BR unless / until they were sold off.


that would seem right. The railway, or its successor companies, would be liable for the ongoing maintenance in safe condition, of any structures and fixtures unless they are otherwise disposed of. However, they are NOT liable for upgrading them over time; if you want to, say, widen a bridge or increase its weight limit, you will probably have to adopt it in order to do so.

There was a thread on here about the WHR a while ago, which made extraordinary, if perplexing, reading......

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 20:01

There does indeed appear to be a private miniature railway using some part of the old trackbed around Bratton, but I have no details of it.

Who is now reponsible for the upkeep of the viaduct and overbridges? Successor companies are responsible for the maintenance of structures in a safe state ( hence the common demolition of decks for disused overbridges ) - I'm interested to see at least one overbridge still apparently complete and the whole viaduct in place.


The former 7.25" line at Bratton has indeed been replaced by a 2" gauge. It was and is privately owned by an L&B member. The viaduct is still owned by the successor statutory body - BRB (Residual) Limited who are currently responsible for its maintenance. The Viaduct was extensively restored to working order in 2000, including replacing the parapets which had been removed in the 1960s, and water-proofing the deck, ready for the time (eventually) when the railway again reaches Chelfham.

There is also a short 7.25" gauge miniature line in the grounds of Woody Bay Station, which is often in use at L&B Galas and Special Events - visiting locos welcome by arrangement :)

For more information of current developments on the L&B, see http://lynton-rail.co.uk

regards,

Martyn

Edited by lynbarn, 12 September 2011 - 13:37 .


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Posted 25 November 2011 - 22:30

Who would ever have thought when those pictures were taken that you would ever be able to get on a train and leave Woody Bay station in the way that nature intended ... on a real narrow gauge railway? We may have hoped then and it seemed a forlorn hope but now ... :-) !!

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 20:50

Who would ever have thought when those pictures were taken that you would ever be able to get on a train and leave Woody Bay station in the way that nature intended ... on a real narrow gauge railway? We may have hoped then and it seemed a forlorn hope but now ... :-) !!

cd Here is a picture of Chelfam Station and viaduct taken two weeks ago 29th January after a work party had cleared the bank behind the station building. This photo could not have been taken for many years as the trees obscured the site.DSC02383.JPG
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 21:41

Lovely shot, thx for sharing :)

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 00:11

With just a little imagination, the bonfire smoke could be rising from a Manning, Wardle waiting for a down train to clear the viaduct, before heading off to Barnstaple..........
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