'CHARD Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Okay, I admit a personal interest here. I'm attempting to derive a definitive list of the liveries Claytons went to the grave wearing. Then, whilst I set out on this odd pilgrimage of research, it occurred to me that there were several classes to which this obsessive logic could be applied. Basically, every complete class that was withdrawn pre-TOPS - with the notable exception of Class 52 and 53 (all BFYE) and 14 (all GwSYP) - would have reached the breaker's yard in a variety of liveries. My quest is to determine what point in transition had each class reached? Feel free to correct me, but of the principal types, excluding shunters, Big Four and prototypes, we're talking about: Class 15 GSYP, GFYE Class 16 GSYP, GFYE - see post 26 below Class 17 GSYP, GFYE, BFYE Class 21 GSYP, BFYE (D6109), some GNYP possibly? Class 22 GSYP, GFYE, BSYP, BFYE Class 23 GSYP, GFYE, BFYE - see post 5 below Class 28 GSYP, GFYE, BFYE - see post 27 below Class 29 TTGFYE, BFYE Class 35 GSYP, GFYE, BSYP, BFYE Class 41 (ok, D600s) GSYP, GFYE?, BFYE see post 3 below Class 42 MSYP, MFYE, BFYE Class 43 MSYP, MFYE, BFYE I expect the Curtis et al definitive works include the Hymeks and Warships, so if that's the case just reference the book(s) concerned. As for the others, and accepting I won't have the options correct, and we need to allow for oddities like Double-Arrow on Green (aGFYE etc), I'll start to compile a list of each on here that can be updated. Edited June 27, 2011 by 'CHARD To include BD's early updates below. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 All the NBL shunters went to the grave in green too, since they all went in '67-8. I think the railbuses were the same. I've read nothing to suggest that any recieved full yellow ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted June 23, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2011 Hymeks could be BSYP and BSYPWW D7007 and 7051 were BSYP without the white window surrounds. Add to that D7004 which later became BSYP white windows Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I don't think any class 21's were painted GFYE. Its possible some may have been scrapped in plain green as quite a few were placed in store for long periods due to unreliability and NBL going bust. Not to mention the ones in the strategic reserve Some 21s reached the scrappie in all-green, I know I've seen a pic but can never remember where 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) I can't place my 30% complete list of Flying Greenhouses yet, that will surface over the weekend, I'm sure. Now, how about Wonderloaves, I'm sure we can crack them - there are enough Carnforth and Upperby shots to nail the withdrawn ten-wheelers, aren't there? For starters, City Boy's '5705' (remember that, pop pickers) was seen in the year of that song's release in the GSYP in which it ended its working life. EDIT: Based on BD's link below, this is how the 'loaves ended up: D5700 GSYP D5701 BFYE D5702 -6 GSYP D5707/ 8 GFYE D5709 - 19 GSYP OMG, what a photo: http://www.flickr.co...ill/3931692618/ Edited June 27, 2011 by 'CHARD To include later contributions 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I can't place my 30% complete list of Flying Greenhouses yet, that will surface over the weekend, I'm sure. Now, how about Wonderloaves, I'm sure we can crack them - there are enough Carnforth and Upperby shots to nail the withdrawn ten-wheelers, aren't there? For starters, City Boy's '5705' (remember that, pop pickers) was seen in the year of that song's release in the GSYP in which it ended its working life. EDIT: Based on BD's link below, this is how the 'loaves ended up: D5700 GSYP D5701 BFYE D5702 -7 GSYP D5708 GFYE D5709 - 19 GSYP OMG, what a photo: http://www.flickr.co...ill/3931692618/ I don't think that brick gangway mod did it any favours. Why didn't they just weld it? Dave. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I don't think that brick gangway mod did it any favours. Why didn't they just weld it? I think they were trying to mimic the Hudswells by giving it a dummy chimney as well. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Man, what a diorama idea! B) Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 An ideal use for the old MTK kit? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 OK, now back to the NBL class 16's. Obviously they were all GNYP and GSYP at one point. The evidence uncovered so far allows us to fill in a couple of blanks about their final guises: D8400 - GSYP#5 D8401 - GFYE D8402 - GFYE D8403 - GFYE#3 D8404 - GSYP#4 D8405 - GSYP D8406 - GFYE D8407 - GFYE D8408 - GSYP#1 D8409 - GSYP#2 #1 Unusual panel on short hood end. Used grille as border for yellow. Although there are no scrapyard shots of D8408, the shots taken by Grahame Wareham and Jim Connor were both taken in the late 60's. These loco's were withdrawn en-masse in 1968. #2 Looking at Grahame's shot of D8409, she has a buffer missing, and is more than likely a hair's breadth away from becoming razor blades. #3 Picture in BR Fleet Survey 1 #4 Picture of her being cut at Cox & Danks, Acton (Sixties Diesels & Electrics Remembered) Yellow warning panel in same style as D8408 on short hood end. #5 There is a shot in Modern Locomotives Illustrated of D8400 at 30A in 1967. I would say it was the final guise of this loco. The yellow warning panel style is standard on both ends. D8406 also sported a similar SYP to D8404/D8408 on its 'B' end. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) I'm blighted from daytime posting due to workplace settings - how prescient the I.T department must be However, when the evening rolls around the web's my lobster, and I can attempt this, a kickstart of the Clayton graveside garb list.... gaps 'n all. References are 85% graveyard photos, at least where green machines are concerned. The rest are from photos that claim to have been taken at or just after the known withdrawal date of the loco concerned. Some of this is caption-driven inaccuracy when the loco's number is unclear. If a Clayton turned blue, in a photo of any vintage with the number clear, then it's assumed to have met its maker like that, and not received InterCity Swallow, Island Line or Colas finery at some unrecorded juncture.... Note, I compiled this before Fotopic's demise, and I failed to record links or captions to the locos concerned. D8500 BFYE 19/8/67 Carlisle Upperby (Hooper p105) D8501 BFYE 4/11/67 (Hooper, p149) D8502 BFYE http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32603, https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/93560180_259955888511313_3372442805111619584_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=z9aIumS0lREAX9eYQg1&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=676fdd9cf9f197a0ef97698b345657e1&oe=5EC26FC3 D8503 BFYE 9/71PO (Hooper p95) D8504 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper), no D - Cashmores, Great Bridge 09/75 D8505 GSYP at 8/70 (Hooper) D8506 GFYE updated 10/04/20 D8507 BFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works from this set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24292321@N02/sets/72157604632072272/with/2321397756/ D8508 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) 5/8/73 Glasgow Works D8509 GSYP (most likely) uncorroborated BFYE claim 'by 1968' (Hooper) D8510 BFYE by 4/11/67 (2/3/68 p80, Hooper), Kingmoor 1967 ref 31770, 13/10/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.33169 D8511 GSYP PO (Hooper p129 caption date incorrect) D8512 GSYP (later in BNYP when at RTC) D8513 GSYP 11/8/68 10A (Hooper p139) /BFYE?? D8514 GFYE D8515 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8516 GSYP 6/9/71 ML (Hooper p97) D8517 GSYP D8518 GSYP 11/8/68 KD (Hooper p137) D8519 GSYP 27/2/71 Polmadie, 11/8/68 10A. (p45 Hooper incorrect caption, ECML Tyne Yard - York) D8520 BFYE D8521 GSYP D8522 BFYE by 4/11/67 (Hooper p131) D8523 BFYE PO 1972 (Hooper, p131) D8524 BFYE D8525 BFYE (Hooper) D8526 BFYE (Hooper) D8527 BFYE (Hooper) D8528 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8529 BFYE D8530 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8531 GSYP at 8/70 (Hooper) Glasgow Works 6/75 (Hooper p123) D8532 BFYE by 3/68 (Hooper) D8533 GSYP D8534 BFYE by 3/68, 10A 11/8/68 (Hooper p139) D8535 BFYE by 3/68 (Hooper), PO 7/9/71 (Hooper p124) D8536 GFYE green at 8/70 (Hooper), 5/8/73 Glasgow Works D8537 GSYP D8538 BFYE 6/67 (Hooper) D8539 GFYE green at 8/70 (Hooper) D8540 BFYE by 5/68, PO 7/9/71 (Hooper p99) D8541 GFYE by 7/68 PO 5/9/71 (Hooper p99) D8542 BFYE 4/11/67 (Hooper), https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s261x260/93794205_10157768555779713_9082669556777877504_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=M1ZL4UgtXH4AX-JIt7L&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=7f79bf36b2d94ecfc06ddd4453434a42&oe=5EC2671C D8543 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper) D8544 GSYP D8545 BFYE by 3/68 (Hooper) D8546 GFYE no D, green at 8/70 (Hooper), https://www.flickr.com/photos/126612220@N04/15285740483/ D8547 GSYP or GFYE D8548 GFYE 7/9/71Motherwell (Hooper p89), Polmadie 04/74 D8549 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8550 BFYE by 5/68, PO 11/9/71 (Hooper p100) Polmadie ref.32172 D8551 GFYE no D by 7/68, PO 11/9/71 (Hooper p100) - Glasgow Works 08/75 D8552 GFYE 11/9/71 PO (Hooper p102), 5/8/73 Glasgow Works D8553 GSYP D8554 GSYP 14/2/70 Polmadie, Railscot ref.32249 D8555 GSYP D8556 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper) D8557 BFYE by 3/68 (Hooper) D8558 GFYE by 7/68 no D - 09/71 D8559 GFYE green at 8/70 (Hooper), ML 11/9/71 (Hooper p90) D8560 GSYP D8561 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8562 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper), 14/2/70 Polmadie, Railscot ref.32326, 9/9/71 ML (Hooper p91) D8563 GFYE as D8563 when ex-works 4/6/67 (Hooper), no D - Glasgow Works 05/75 D8564 BFYE D8565 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper) D8566 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper) D8567 BFYE 6/67 (ML 17/8/69, p88 Stafford 3/72, p127 Hooper) D8568 GFYE (by 3/68 - Hooper?) D8569 GSYP D8570 BFYE by 10/68 (Hooper), Birds, Long Marston '69 D8571 GSYP PO 25/7/69 https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93687119_151636459677499_7546090782671765504_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=ySR5KdGAS9gAX_d8gfi&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=2ca1f9a090f19c156231ecf4bec4768b&oe=5EC1851E D8572 GSYP - Bescot '69 D8573 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper), 11/9/71 and 5/8/73 Polmadie D8574 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper), 23/12/68 Hawick, Railscot ref.33572 D8575 GSYP D8576 GSYP D8577 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper), https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s261x260/93839079_521172065226123_2245095627434229760_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=GshvGGTwdmQAX_0Tjl2&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=ec4285b3a980c9a877fe69f1944908a7&oe=5EBF1ADA D8578 GSYP D8579 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8580 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper), 13/10/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.32912 D8581 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper), no D D8582 BFYE? by 5/68? (Hooper) (GSYP July 1971 https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/4/464/ ) D8583 BFYE 10/9/67 (Hooper), 23/4/73 Glasgow Works D8584 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper) D8585 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper) D8586 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8587 GSYP Niddrie 1971, Railscot D8588 GSYP D8589 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8590 GSYP Newcastle 30/9/70, Railscot D8591 GSYP D8592 GFYE D8593 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper), 23/4/73 Glasgow Works D8594 GSYP Sep '70 D8595 GFYE D8596 GFYE D8597 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8598 GFYE by 7/68, MH 8/9/71 (p88 Hooper), (BFYE by 21/8/72 at LO, GFYE at withdrawal 31/12/71) D8599 GSYP 21/7/69 (Hooper p55) D8600 GSYP on 26/3/70 (Hooper p55), or BFYE? (Hooper) D8601 GFYE green at 8/70 (Hooper) D8602 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper p81) D8604 GFYE 27/5/70 (Hooper p72) D8605 GSYP Drapers, Hull, 1970 D8606 BFYE by 5/68 (Hooper), 5/11/69 Millerhill D8607 GFYE Glasgow Works 12/6/75 (Hooper p127) D8608 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper), 4/2/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.29089 D8609 GSYP D8610 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper) D8611 GSYP updated 10/04/20 D8612 GFYE 5/11/69 Millerhill, Railscot ref.27725, HA 4/1/69 (Hooper p133) D8613 GFYE ex-works 20/5/68 (Hooper), 5/8/73 Polmadie - black solebar D8614 GFYE green at 8/70 (Hooper) D8615 GFYE by 7/68 (Hooper), at HA in '70, here: http://www.railbrit....te2.php?id=6551 D8616 GFYE 4/75 Dundee Anonymous pair in this awesome shot: http://www.flickr.co...86979/lightbox/ And dead at Ardrossan, three more: http://www.flickr.co...tream/lightbox/ Edited April 18, 2020 by 'CHARD To input additional correct data, cheers! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Hi Chard, Three on your list ended their lives as: D8519 GSYP D8522 BFYE 8601 GFYE I would be able to fill most the gaps for you, but annoyingly I'm unable to access my own computer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 From my own livery database, compiled from photographic records, I can contribute the following:- Class 17 GFYE D8515,8528,8536,D8539,8541,8546,D8561,D8562,D8568,D8579,D8586,D8592,D8593, D8595,D8597,8598,D8601,D8608,D8612,D8614 Class 17 BLYE D8500,03,07,10,12,13,14,15,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,32,34,35,38,40,42,43,45,50,51,56,57,64,65,66, 67,71,73,74,77,80,82,83,84,85,98,606 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Here's a little something for the Class 29 database. Depression at Polmadie, 1972. http://www.flickr.com/photos/johngreyturner/4068956393/in/set-72157622508757070/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) D8605 in scrapyard condition. Tantalisingly, there's no way of knowing her livery. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=34733 Hmmmm, having checked a few other photos, I'm prepared to suggest livery is GSYP, as the FYE did wrap round the noses sufficiently that it would be seen in the above shot, were it applied to the loco. Edited July 5, 2011 by 'CHARD Update after research... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 D8605 in scrapyard condition. Tantalisingly, there's no way of knowing her livery. Green, definitely. I was there, boyo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Some more on how they ended their lives, 8504 GFYE no D - Cashmores, Great Bridge 09/75 8548 GFYE - Polmadie 04/74 8549 GSYP - 8551 GFYE no D - Glasgow Works 08/75 8558 GFYE no D - 09/71 8563 GFYE no D - Glasgow works 05/75 8570 BFYE - Birds, Long Marston 69 8572 GSYP - Bescot 69 8607 GFYE - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Some of my notes that I have collected, on these locos during their short lives. Which may be of help for anyone modelling the class 29's. Liveries carried: D6100 BFY D6101 GSY, GFY D6102 GSY, GFY D6103 GSY, GFY D6106 GSY, GFY D6107 BFY D6108 BFY D6112 GSY, GFY D6113 GSY, GFY D6114 GSY, GFY D6116 GSY, GFY D6119 BFY D6121 GSY, GFY D6123 GSY, GFY D6124 BFY D6129 BFY D6130 GSY, GFY D6132 GSY, GFY D6133 GSY, GFY D6137 BFY With the exception of the more unique D6123 which carried small yellow lower panels. The rest of the green livered locos carried a more square yellow panel with all four corners rounded, the exception being D6102, 21 & 32 which had the lower corners rounded off whilst the upper corners would be at a slanted angle. All green locos would later receive full yellow ends between July 1970 and August 71, the last been D6112. Seven of the class received BFY when converted to class 29. D6100 was unusual in that it was fitted with large BR arrows on the engine room doors (it also later received two cab doors from cl21 D6109 which had the arrows on doors). D6107 had BR arrows on all four cab sides and numbers on engine room body sides. These two locos were also unusual in that the yellow extended around the cab sides and onto the cab roof. The other five members of the class in blue had the more standard yellow fronts, with running numbers on all four cab sides and small BR arrows on cab doors. D6100 -19 had the eyebrow vents above the cab windows The only members to be fitted with metal bars on the cab door windows, to protect them from swinging tokens were: D6103, 06, 07 & 23. D6112, 13, 14, 16, 23, 30, 32, 33 & 37 all carried shedplates at some stage during their lives as cl29's. D6102, 08, 13, 16, 19, 21, 23, 24, 29, 32 & 37 had a small grill below the radiator grill on one side, which was carried over from their lives as cl21's. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Maiden Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Here's a little something for the Class 29 database. Depression at Polmadie, 1972. http://www.flickr.co...57622508757070/ Absolutely, its a pity none of these stylish loco's were preserved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Just to reawaken this thread, D8243 in it train heating disguise carried what appeares to be LNER green from about 1978 until the early 80s when it was repainted BR green again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les_bailey Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 May I also point out a livery variation I knew nothing of, in the slideshow on post 30 above, the pic of 8508 in green full yellow ends, has had the cab ends painted in the dark loco green, leaving only the side window area in the light green. All the other in green have light green cab ends. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Thanks for pointing that out - an interesting variation that I may just have to model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Anyone happen to know the final livery of D6128? I've put a post over on the class 29 thread too, but would.like to model this loco eventually...... Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Well she was toast here: http://www.derbysulzers.com/6128kittybrewster.jpg so I suspect this very distressed state was her final motley. Good luck, PoD! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnforth Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Mornin' Wondered if anyones seen these before. http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd71/carnforth/D5708_full_ends.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd71/carnforth/D5701_blue_livery-1.jpg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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