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D8406 also sported a similar SYP to D8404/D8408 on its 'B' end.

 

Great shot, though that's at Standon, not Buntingford which is four stations down the line. I used to live behind the pub on the left, now a Chinese restaurant which served me a meal this evening! The mill on the right has been converted into apartments, and the station has sprouted housing.

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D8500 BFYE

 

D8502 BFYE http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32603

D8503 BFYE

D8504 GFYE no D - Cashmores, Great Bridge 09/75

D8505 GSYP

 

D8507 BFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works

D8508 GFYE 5/8/73 Glasgow Works

 

D8510 BFYE Kingmoor 1967 ref 31770, 13/10/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.33169

D8511 GSYP

D8512 GSYP (later in BNYP when at RTC)

D8513 GSYP/BFYE

D8514 BFYE

D8515 GFYE

D8516 GSYP http://www.rail-onli...7f3eab&type=800

 

D8519 GSYP 27/2/71 Polmadie

D8520 BFYE

D8521 GSYP

D8522 BFYE

D8523 BFYE

D8524 BFYE

D8525 BFYE

D8526 BFYE

D8527 BFYE

D8528 GFYE

D8529 BFYE

D8530 GSYP

D8531 GSYP

D8532 BFYE

 

D8534 BFYE

D8535 BFYE

D8536 GFYE 5/8/73 Glasgow Works

D8537 GSYP http://www.brdatabas...=8537&loco=8537

D8538 BFYE

D8539 GFYE

D8540 BFYE

D8541 GFYE

D8542 BFYE

D8543 BFYE

 

D8545 BFYE

D8546 GFYE

 

D8548 GFYE - Polmadie 04/74

D8549 GSYP -

D8550 BFYE Polmadie ref.32172

D8551 GFYE no D - Glasgow Works 08/75

D8552 GFYE 5/8/73 Glasgow Works

 

D8554 GSYP 14/2/70 Polmadie, Railscot ref.32249

 

D8556 BFYE

D8557 BFYE

D8558 GFYE no D - 09/71

D8559 GFYE

D8560 GSYP

D8561 GFYE

D8562 GFYE 14/2/70 Polmadie, Railscot ref.32326

D8563 GFYE no D - Glasgow Works 05/75

D8564 BFYE

D8565 BFYE

D8566 BFYE

D8567 BFYE

D8568 GFYE

 

D8570 BFYE - Birds, Long Marston '69

D8571 BFYE

D8572 GSYP - Bescot '69

D8573 BFYE 5/8/73 Polmadie

D8574 BFYE 23/12/68 Hawick, Railscot ref.33572

 

D8577 BFYE

 

D8579 GFYE

D8580 BFYE 13/10/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.32912

 

D8582 BFYE

D8583 BFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works

D8584 BFYE

D8585 BFYE

D8586 GFYE

D8587 GSYP Niddrie 1971, Railscot

D8588 GSYP

 

D8590 GSYP Newcastle 30/9/70, Railscot

D8591 GSYP

D8592 GFYE

D8593 GFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works

 

D8595 GFYE

 

D8597 GFYE

D8598 GFYE (BFYE by 21/8/72 at LO, GFYE at withdrawal 31/12/71)

 

D8600 GSYP

D8601 GFYE

 

D8605 GSYP Drapers, Hull, 1970

D8606 BFYE 5/11/69 Millerhill

D8607 GFYE

D8608 GFYE 4/2/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.29089

 

D8610 GFYE

 

D8612 GFYE 5/11/69 Millerhill, Railscot ref.27725

D8613 GFYE 5/8/73 Polmadie

D8614 GFYE

D8615 GFYE at HA in '70, here: http://www.railbrit....te2.php?id=6551

D8616 GFYE 4/75 Dundee

 

Only 25 missing now, that's 92 down, we're over two-thirds through the class, good work! :drinks:

 

 

Shameless bounce for Clayton data request purposes. Can anyone with access or links to more recently posted material on the web, help us out with the final 24 bits of info to help complete the class?

 

For ease of reference, missing last liveries are required for:

 

8501 w/d 10/68

8506 w/d 9/71

8509 GSYP in photo 8/10/67, withdrawn 10/68 - did she receive attention in her last year?

8517 w/d 10/68

8518 GSYP in photo 4/67, withdrawn 10/68 - did she receive attention in her last 18 months?

8533 w/d 10/68

8544 w/d 6/69

8547 w/d 2/69

8553 w/d 10/68

8555 w/d 9/71

8569 w/d 12/68

8575 w/d 10/68

8576 w/d 2/69

8578 w/d 6/69

8581 w/d 10/71

8589 w/d 7/70 from 52A

8594 w/d 9/71

8596 w/d 12/68 from 52A

8599 w/d 10/71

8602 w/d 10/71

8603 w/d 10/71

8604 w/d 10/71

8609 w/d 10/68

8611 w/d 10/68

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Now your delving into that last 20%, its certainty getting rather more difficult.

 

Firstly some errors in you list,

D8513 was GSY on withdrawl,

D8514 was GFY on withdrawl,

D8571 was GSY on withdrawl.

 

Now going by photos i have and the numbers are legible, the following locos carried GSY livery at the end,

D8509

D8537

D8604

D8611

 

As for the rest of the list, the following are reported as withdrawn in the following liveries, but i haven't seen any photographic proof, so best to take with a pinch of salt until someone comes up with the evidence

D8501 BFY ??

D8506 GFY ??

D8517 GSY (probably)

D8518 GSY (probably)

D8533 GSY (probably)

D8544 GSY (probably)

D8547 GSY (probably)

D8553 reported as GSY & BFY

D8555 GSY (probably)

D8569 GSY (probably)

D8575 GSY (probably)

D8578 GSY (probably)

D8581 GFY ??

D8589 GFY (probably)

D8594 GFY (but i believe it may of gone in GSY)

D8596 GFY ??

D8599 GSY (probably)

D8602 GFY ??

D8603 GSY (probably)

D8609 GSY (probably)

 

As i say the last section are only probables, but i hope it helps.

 

Trevor

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Great stuff, Trevor, it does help. I shall update and amend the master list. The probables do seem to align with individual locos' allocation histories and withdrawal dates. And as they pretty much all err on the side of caution (green small yellow being the majority), it's unlikely the real faux pas of modelling a loco in BFYE when it went in green, will be perpetrated. Thanks again.

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D8500 BFYE
D8501 BFYE
D8502 BFYE http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=32603
D8503 BFYE
  8504 GFYE no D - Cashmores, Great Bridge 09/75
D8505 GSYP
  8506 GFYE
  8507 BFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works
  8508 GFYE 5/8/73 Glasgow Works
D8509 GSYP
D8510 BFYE Kingmoor 1967 ref 31770, 13/10/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.33169
D8511 GSYP
D8512 GSYP (later in BNYP when at RTC)
D8513 GSYP
D8514 GFYE
D8515 GFYE
D8516 GSYP
D8517 GSYP
D8518 GSYP
D8519 GSYP 27/2/71 Polmadie
D8520 BFYE
D8521 GSYP
D8522 BFYE
D8523 BFYE
D8524 BFYE
D8525 BFYE
D8526 BFYE
D8527 BFYE  

  8528 GFYE
D8529 BFYE
D8530 GSYP
D8531 GSYP
D8532 BFYE
D8533 GSYP
D8534 BFYE
D8535 BFYE
  8536 GFYE 5/8/73 Glasgow Works
D8537 GSYP
D8538 BFYE
  8539 GFYE
D8540 BFYE
D8541 GFYE
D8542 BFYE
D8543 BFYE
D8544 GSYP
  8545 BFYE
D8546 GFYE
D8547 GSYP
D8548 GFYE - Polmadie 04/74
D8549 GSYP
D8550 BFYE Polmadie ref.32172
  8551 GFYE no D - Glasgow Works 08/75
  8552 GFYE 5/8/73 Glasgow Works
D8553 GSYP
D8554 GSYP 14/2/70 Polmadie, Railscot ref.32249
D8555 GSYP
D8556 BFYE
D8557 BFYE
  8558 GFYE no D - 09/71
D8559 GFYE
D8560 GSYP
D8561 GFYE
D8562 GFYE 14/2/70 Polmadie, Railscot ref.32326
  8563 GFYE no D - Glasgow Works 05/75
D8564 BFYE
D8565 BFYE
D8566 BFYE
D8567 BFYE
D8568 GFYE
D8569 GSYP
D8570 BFYE - Birds, Long Marston '69
D8571 GSYP
D8572 GSYP - Bescot '69
D8573 BFYE 5/8/73 Polmadie
D8574 BFYE 23/12/68 Hawick, Railscot ref.33572
D8575 GSYP
D8576 GSYP
D8577 BFYE
D8578 GSYP
  8579 GFYE
D8580 BFYE 13/10/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.32912
D8581 GFYE
D8582 BFYE
D8583 BFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works
D8584 BFYE
D8585 BFYE
D8586 GFYE
D8587 GSYP Niddrie 1971, Railscot
D8588 GSYP
D8589 GFYE
D8590 GSYP Newcastle 30/9/70, Railscot
D8591 GSYP
  8592 GFYE
D8593 GFYE 23/4/73 Glasgow Works
D8594 GSYP
D8595 GFYE
D8596 GFYE
  8597 GFYE
D8598 GFYE (BFYE by 21/8/72 at LO, GFYE at withdrawal 31/12/71)
D8599 GSYP
D8600 GSYP
  8601 GFYE
D8602 GFYE
D8603 GSYP
D8604 GFYE (or GSYP)
D8605 GSYP Drapers, Hull, 1970
D8606 BFYE 5/11/69 Millerhill
D8607 GFYE
D8608 GFYE 4/2/70 Niddrie, Railscot ref.29089
D8609 GSYP
D8610 GFYE
D8611 GSYP
D8612 GFYE 5/11/69 Millerhill, Railscot ref.27725
D8613 GFYE 5/8/73 Polmadie
D8614 GFYE
D8615 GFYE at HA in '70, here: http://www.railbrit....te2.php?id=6551
D8616 GFYE 4/75 Dundee

and, although they would never have been in traffic in the livery ratio in which the class ended its days, the above suggests 39 locos made it to BFYE, another 39 received FYE on green, and the last 39 were never repainted. If that is the case, it's some coincidence!

EDIT: recent shots discovered (see post made 02/11/12) indicate that D8611 received BFYE, D8604 GFYE but D8553 and D8594 remained GSYP,

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Hymeks could be BSYP and BSYPWW D7007 and 7051 were BSYP without the white window surrounds.

 

D7004 also carried BSYP without white window surrounds, but not for as long as the other two. I have a pic dated "1966" without white surrounds and Brush Veteran has one dated March 1967 WITH white surrounds. This is the only pic I've seen of this loco sans surrounds, so I wonder if there were any more that "slipped through the net" by only carrying the livery for a very short time.

 

Rgds, Ron.

 

Rgds, Ron.

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and, although they would never have been in traffic in the livery ratio in which the class ended its days, the above suggests 39 locos made it to BFYE, another 39 received FYE on green, and the last 39 were never repainted. If that is the case, it's some coincidence!

 

If I can "fine tune" one or two of these;

 

8508 was GFYE no "D" on scrapping.

8536 " " " " " "

8539 same

8552 DITTO

8579 and again

8597 another

8601 yup

 

8506 GFYE (no "D") Motherwell Sep1970

8507 BFYE (no "D") 17May1975 GWKS

8528 GFYE (no "D") 1970 Millerhill

8545 BFYE (no "D") 5Sep1970 Motherwell

8592 GFYE (no "D") Aug 1971 Eastfield

8601 GFYE (no "D") 1971 Haymarket

 

I have a few more to look at, but hope these are some use to be going on with....

 

Cheers, Ron.

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Sorry if it's been mentioned before (I haven't had time to go through ALL the posts), but D8242 was GSYP with BR Arrows at least up to mid-1970.

 

R.

Like Ron haven't looked back through the posts to see if already mentioned, but D8243 also carried the small BR arrows like D8242, but with full yellow ends.

 

Trevor.

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Class 22 Details

Ok this thread will I'm sure be an evolving monster, but I've made a start compiling details on liveries. See the attached Excel spreadsheet that contains details on all class 22 liveries, introduction, withdrawal and dates cut and where. Needless to say the thread will be edited on a regular basis to amend inaccuracies and provide up to date links to photos on the web.

 

There were some links to photos which I weeded out, many were links to defunct fotopic galleries (huge shame especially photos from Keith Miller and Ken Baker).

 

Material to follow will include front end detail variation (grab rail positions, headcode boxes, eyebrow vents etc), but I've got to draw some pretty pictures first. Patience is a virtue I will get there!

 

Eventually I am aiming to publish a book (huge gestation time though) on diesel variations, but as I'm sure everyone is aware getting the facts 100% right is quite a challenge.

 

Livery details with dates, Dates introduced and withdrawn, scrapping . Class 22 2.xls

 

 

References :

 

Dapol class 22 Thread

Personal research (fotopic, flickr and other galleries,

Robert Stokes, Baby Blues Western Power magazine, Vol 1 pp26-30.

Brian Reed (1974) Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of the Western Region, David & Charles

 

Huge thanks to our colleague for posting this over on the Class 22 thread. I hope you don't mind me repeating it here.

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Unusual to see a Clayton at a Scottish shed in the company of a TOPS loco!

 

Dundee, 37146 and a long-term resident. Quite possibly the only 'normal' Clayton I may have seen (didn't start recording numbers until '76).

 

http://www.flickr.co...gie/6045359982/

 

I remember seeing that, it was parked by the coal staithes during 75. I remember they roped the door up, but the other door was unlocked so you could still cab it, wasn't it used for re-railing exercises.

 

I guess the other one that could be seen with TOPS locos would be 8539, which was still at Eastfield in 1975 and their were still some at Polmadie in 1974.

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New discoveries!

 

D8501 was BFYE on sub-allocation from 12A to 12E, seen here as the Claytons ousted steam on the bank, 30/12/67. They even look specially tidied up for their new duties:

http://www.flickr.co...N08/6877321426/

 

What a fantastic shot!

 

Tynesider D8604 got as far as GFYE by 1970 according to this:

http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=40617

 

and 8581 also in GFYE seen at Waverley in '71:

http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=39444

 

D8594 still in GSYP in '70:

http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=33547

 

D8611 made it to BFYE, the highest numbered to do so, and a rarity from the BP batch along with celeb D8606:

http://www.flickr.co...r24/5373523029/

 

and last for now, D8518 at Carnforth in what is believed to have been its final livery:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuart_martin_24j/8069867295/in/photostream/

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Hi Folks

 

With the wealth of info on this forum, Im going to ask a wild one...

 

Does any one have a photo of D8545 on 7 Oct 1970? Reason I ask is its the one Clayton I have, renumbered, and its my date of birth.

 

Failing that, does anyone have a phot of any Clatyton on that date? May facilitate me buying another one!!!!

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Chard gets it - its Worcester!

 

In the yard behind the up platforms.

 

Was the only one cut up at Birds, Long Marston. There was a daily freight twixt Worcester and Stratford so bet it came down it that.

 

Phil

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