RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 5, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2012 Deffo Worcester - compare with this shot , loco is off to right and further down http://www.miac.org.uk/class120.htm#br120xxx Have also seen this picture miscaptioned as Westbury! Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 New discoveries! D8611 made it to BFYE, the highest numbered to do so, and a rarity from the BP batch along with celeb D8606: http://www.flickr.co...r24/5373523029/ I reject that caption on the basis of this find: http://www.rail-online.co.uk/ImageView.aspx?id=086150d9-a7a7-486c-a9b5-9f179ea869f6 D8611 GSYP on withdrawal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2016 I think this is the right place..? D8547 GFYE 11 Sep 1971 - plate 172 by Norman Preedy in D & E on Shed ScR. Loco number not visible but captions generally seem reliable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Did any of the Class 16 ever get a double arrow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Did any of the Class 16 ever get a double arrow? No Class 16 received the double arrows but D8400-3/6-7 all received GFYE retaining their 'D' prefixes. Edited November 8, 2017 by BrushVeteran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Thanks for the info - was just double checking. Just ordered one from Hattons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 No Class 19 received the double arrows but D8400-3/6-7 all received GFYE retaining their 'D' prefixes. Railway Obsever March 1967 reports D8403 had them on 28/1/67. No photo in my collection though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I have no record for it either way. I reject that caption on the basis of this find:http://www.rail-online.co.uk/ImageView.aspx?id=086150d9-a7a7-486c-a9b5-9f179ea869f6D8611 GSYP on withdrawal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Now your delving into that last 20%, its certainty getting rather more difficult. Firstly some errors in you list, D8513 was GSY on withdrawl, D8514 was GFY on withdrawl, D8571 was GSY on withdrawl. Now going by photos i have and the numbers are legible, the following locos carried GSY livery at the end, D8509 D8537 D8604 D8611 As for the rest of the list, the following are reported as withdrawn in the following liveries, but i haven't seen any photographic proof, so best to take with a pinch of salt until someone comes up with the evidence D8501 BFY ?? D8506 GFY ?? D8517 GSY (probably) D8518 GSY (probably) D8533 GSY (probably) D8544 GSY (probably) D8547 GSY (probably) D8553 reported as GSY & BFY D8555 GSY (probably) D8569 GSY (probably) D8575 GSY (probably) D8578 GSY (probably) D8581 GFY ?? D8589 GFY (probably) D8594 GFY (but i believe it may of gone in GSY) D8596 GFY ?? D8599 GSY (probably) D8602 GFY ?? D8603 GSY (probably) D8609 GSY (probably) As i say the last section are only probables, but i hope it helps. Trevor Sure on that Trev? I have 8514 and 8571 down as blue ex works 10/10/70 listed in railway magazine Dec 1970. Edited November 8, 2017 by Russell Saxton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) D8501 BFY ?? Definitely-repainted blue Nov 1967.D8506 GFY ?? According to RO, yes.D8517 GSY (probably)D8518 GSY (probably)D8533 GSY (probably)D8544 GSY (probably)D8547 GSY (probably) Some possibility of GFYED8553 reported as GSY & BFYD8555 GSY (probably)D8569 GSY (probably)D8575 GSY (probably)D8578 GSY (probably)D8581 GFY ?? According to RO yesD8589 GFY (probably)D8594 GFY (but i believe it may of gone in GSY)D8596 GFY ??D8599 GSY (probably)D8602 GFY ??D8603 GSY (probably)D8609 GSY (probably)The others match my records. Edited November 8, 2017 by Russell Saxton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 No Class 19 received the double arrows but D8400-3/6-7 all received GFYE retaining their 'D' prefixes. I'd be happy to see any footage of a Class 19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Class 16 D8403 in GFYE at Stratford MPD, 07/66. I suspect the date might be wrong. No BR double arrows though https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/8314604715/in/photolist-dEJwiH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 More pictures of Class 16 D8403 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p134229839/h36137996#h36137996 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p134229839/h3A35DA97#h3a35da97 https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6295426246/in/album-72157628044457026/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/7023421545 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I have a photo (not my copyright, so I can't post it) probably downloaded years ago from Fotopic, which shows D8403, D8402 and D8400 at Cohens in Kettering and none of them have BR arrows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hmmmm I suspected as much. That's good because I can delete that record as tripe now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hmmmm I suspected as much. That's good because I can delete that record as tripe now. Perhaps you saw it on the class 19 I mentioned Russell........................I have edited my mistake now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Class 16's at Cohens in Kettering. No sign of any BR arrows on any of them https://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/7023421329/in/photostream/ http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/l.aspx?k=106062941 https://www.howesmodels.co.uk/images/products/6294893977_aa0531f947_o.jpg https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/19357200206/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2507007272/ http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p134229839 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p134229839 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 22/01/2012 at 18:52, Trevor H said: Now your delving into that last 20%, its certainty getting rather more difficult. Firstly some errors in you list, D8513 was GSY on withdrawl, D8514 was GFY on withdrawl, D8571 was GSY on withdrawl. Now going by photos i have and the numbers are legible, the following locos carried GSY livery at the end, D8509 D8537 D8604 D8611 As for the rest of the list, the following are reported as withdrawn in the following liveries, but i haven't seen any photographic proof, so best to take with a pinch of salt until someone comes up with the evidence D8501 BFY ?? D8506 GFY ?? D8517 GSY (probably) D8518 GSY (probably) D8533 GSY (probably) D8544 GSY (probably) D8547 GSY (probably) D8553 reported as GSY & BFY D8555 GSY (probably) D8569 GSY (probably) D8575 GSY (probably) D8578 GSY (probably) D8581 GFY ?? D8589 GFY (probably) D8594 GFY (but i believe it may of gone in GSY) D8596 GFY ?? D8599 GSY (probably) D8602 GFY ?? D8603 GSY (probably) D8609 GSY (probably) As i say the last section are only probables, but i hope it helps. Trevor Do you have the links for 8509/37? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted April 19, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2020 Found a pic of D8509 (w. 12/10/1968) on 9/7/1968: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/91758-chris-ts-photo-archives-updated-6th-march/&do=findComment&comment=1686482 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 12 hours ago, keefer said: Found a pic of D8509 (w. 12/10/1968) on 9/7/1968: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/91758-chris-ts-photo-archives-updated-6th-march/&do=findComment&comment=1686482 It's more than likely that that would be its final livery as it had just a few weeks to go. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) The present state of play regarding Clayton livery knowledge suggests that just shy of one third ended their days in BFYE (38), but GFYE outnumbered original GSYP at the reckoning, with 43 receiving FYE and 36 remaining as-built. Current thinking AFAICT: GSYP: 8505/9/12/3/6-9/21/4/31/3/7/44/7/53-5/60/9/71/2/5/6/8/87/8/90/1/4/99/600/3/5/9/11 (Total 36) GFYE: 8504/6/8/14/5/28/30/6/9/41/6/8/9/51/2/8/9/61-3/8/79/81/6/9/92/3/5-8/601/2/4/7/8/10/2-6 (Total 43) BFYE: 8500-3/7/10/20/2/3/5-7/9/32/4/5/8/40/2/3/5/50/6/7/64-7/70/3/4/7/80/2-5/606 (Total 38) Edited April 21, 2020 by 'CHARD corrections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I have a few differences; largely agree with your blue list but I have 8524 as GSYP and 8568 was definitely NOT blue but withdrawn GFYE. Add 8582 to the list of blue. Some doubt over 8514 as being blue. 8556 I have report but no proof as blue, also 8514, 8534. GFYE again largely agree but no proof of 8514, 8549, 8589, 8595, 8596, 8602 8603 was GSYP to withdrawal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 On 19/04/2020 at 20:21, Russell Saxton said: I have a few differences; largely agree with your blue list but I have 8524 as GSYP and 8568 was definitely NOT blue but withdrawn GFYE. Add 8582 to the list of blue. Some doubt over 8514 as being blue. 8556 I have report but no proof as blue, also 8514, 8534. GFYE again largely agree but no proof of 8514, 8549, 8589, 8595, 8596, 8602 8603 was GSYP to withdrawal. Don't know what I was thinking with 8568, I know that was GFYE as I pointed out in the group on FB! Making the other edits now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 An additional nuance has come to light in the story of Clayton liveries. The running-plate on these locos was awash with oil as part of their general operating malaise. At some stage in the build it was obviously decided to make the resulting black an official part of the livery. In the Hooper book we can see D8568 with black solebar in preservation, but more importantly D8577 on 5th September 1966 from a footbridge, with black solebar and running plate. Colour photos of all Beyer-Peacock locos show black solebars, whereas 8546 in GFYE on 7th March 1970 retains its green solebar. I wonder which was the first loco where the practice started.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 No idea, I hadn't even spotted that. 8577 wouldn't be that old in 1966 so maybe a few done from new? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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