chev32 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I picked up this model at a collectors market ,its 2 rail , robustly built mech after a bit of fiddling i briefly manage to get it running . The cab and tank lettering are raised .....thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I believe Triang picked up this body casting in the early years & fitted a clockwork mech.to it. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I had one as a kid. Painted red, the lettering was raised. Not motorised but the chassis was free-wheeling, it was a scale model compared with Rovex and Trix. I thought it was a Lode Star product but there we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Lone Star,(DCMT-Die cast machine tools)were the manufacturers of Treblo lectric trains,firstly push along then motorised.Gaiety loco bodies were produced by Castle Arts products in Birmingham. Have a look here>/www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/gaiety/index.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Definitely the Gaiety version. Two clues are the embossed lettering and number (coincidently? the same as Dublo's LMS liveried tank) and the horizontally mounted 5 pole motor with pickups made of wire wrapped around the brushholders (The same chassis as the pannier). Originally black all over, it appeared in various colors as a push along toy. Many years ago, I purchased a green one in BHS in Plymouth for 3/6d. Eccentrically, she had a rigid 2-4-0 chassis with large driving wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Hattons in the early 60`s sold pannier tanks for running on HD 3rail.I wonder if it was the Gaiety body that they used?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chev32 Posted July 24, 2011 Author Share Posted July 24, 2011 Here are a few more photos thanks for your reponses spot on ... does anyone know the correct livery for this model thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60526 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 So where does JVM come into this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 24, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2011 I believe that JVM was J.V.Murcott and Sons, a company formed about 90 years ago to produce aluminium diecastings for the motor industry. They made a lot of parts for the Mini and Land Rover. The company is is now part of JVM Castings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 24, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2011 There was also a similar model from Budgie toys but of an 0-6-0T. IIRC it was of a 3F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Matt black AFAIK. Mine is for certain. I'll post a picture, if I can find which box she's in. As regards the Budgie 0-6-0T. This was available for years (4/6d comes to mind) and all the ones I have seen were red, though I have read of a green version. The wheels were set to a narrower gauge than 00. Youthful attempts to regauge one failed miserably. It is also rather crude*. The Gaiety pannier is good in comparison. *As you can see here:- http://essexmodelsan...uk/blog/?cat=23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I had or still have the Budgie 060 tank somewhere, push along, painted red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I had one of the Budgie locos but haven't a clue what happened to it. I can remember having it when we lived in London but not after we moved in '65. I suspect it was thrown away in the removals clear out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I believe Triang picked up this body casting in the early years & fitted a clockwork mech.to it. Ray. Actually, the Tri-ang Clockwork loco was a version of the "Trackmaster" loco. Lines Bros, bought the tooling for the Trackmaster loco, and the open wagon and van (To become the long lived R.10 and R.11 (etc.) wagons. The 0-6-2 was made by Gaiety, Trackmaster/ Tri-ang, and Hornby Dublo (and later a modern plastic version by several names...) On another note, the Hattons Pannier tank was a Gaiety body on either a Tri-ang 0-6-0 (R.52 Jinty, etc.) or a Hornby Dublo R1 chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I've got both Hornby Dublo and Tri-Ang (Trackmaster) N2 bodies (well a whole HD one actually for a 1970s 56xx project!) and the Trackmaster version is much the better, both crisper and more accurate than the, admittedly slightly older, HD one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Actually, the Tri-ang Clockwork loco was a version of the "Trackmaster" loco. Lines Bros, bought the tooling for the Trackmaster loco, and the open wagon and van (To become the long lived R.10 and R.11 (etc.) wagons. The 0-6-2 was made by Gaiety, Trackmaster/ Tri-ang, and Hornby Dublo (and later a modern plastic version by several names...) On another note, the Hattons Pannier tank was a Gaiety body on either a Tri-ang 0-6-0 (R.52 Jinty, etc.) or a Hornby Dublo R1 chassis. Of course,getting my Trackmaster & gaiety mixed up.In Pat Hammonds Vol.1,rhe loco was R51 but it was also included in a set with loco,wagons & track although its not easy to recognise the track from the illustration.This would be around the early 1950`s.In Micheal Fosters` book on Hornby Dublo,there is a line up of HD 0-6-2 tanks with the Pyramid & Gaiety models side by side,very similar!! Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The Trackmaster tank came in a set (I was given one, but it came to an unfortunate end) and consisted of the locomotive, some die-cast track making up an oval and IIRC 3 wagons - van and 2 opens). The tank was lettered 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' in yellow and the wagons GW or NE in grey or bauxite as appropriate on a mazak casting representing a 9' 6" wheelbase wooden underframe with crown plates and grease boxes. Later Tri-ang incarnations were less conscientious with colours, mixing grey and bauxite and adding green and white. The underframe became cruder as time went on becoming a really dreadful plastic horror. Regrettably the bodies were moulded in acetate and all survivors exhibit warping to a lesser or greater degree. In particular the Tri-ang roofs suffer distortion. I'm still looking for a replacement loco. My two requirements of cheap and reasonable condition seem hard to satisfy. After all, I paid £7 for my latest Dublo N2. It did take a while to remove all the thick paint however and she's now green*. (Originally a black LMS version I believe - the inside is black and the small windows and 'Hornby' on the smokebox suggest 1949 -1952. The motor is a later replacement from a BR version - large diameter crankpins - so no use for dating. I'm undecided whether to paint her in GNR livery and fit (or ignore) the condensing pipes or as the N2 which was actually painted green. (I forget the number, but have a photo.) I might even correct the cab shape as there is a moulding flaw on one side resulting in a large swelling, (but maybe not as Dublo mazak is very hard!). Sorry for waffling on and I will try and remember the Gaiety photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 The Trackmaster tank came in a set (I was given one, but it came to an unfortunate end) and consisted of the locomotive, some die-cast track making up an oval and IIRC 3 wagons - van and 2 opens). The tank was lettered 'BRITISH RAILWAYS' in yellow and the wagons GW or NE in grey or bauxite as appropriate on a mazak casting representing a 9' 6" wheelbase wooden underframe with crown plates and grease boxes. A bit like this one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Some more waffle on this subject here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/5197-ebay-madness/page-341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 There was also this 'N2' body advertised by Taylor & McKenna in Feb '54. I'm sure I've also seen some editorial about it in a '53 magazine which says it 'resembles' an N2! It at least does have a correct number. Also below is an advert for a motorised Gaiety (I suppose) Pannier with an interesting chassis that features a 'plug-in' motor. This could be a very useful idea for testing a chassis under construction. The price seems slightly higher than the ones offered by Hattons et al. Advertised by Cherry's Northern. Presumably related to Cherry's in the South? Plus an advert in April 51 for Trackmaster parts that didn't include 'strategic' metals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 It was the Korean war that stopped model manufaturers using zinc & brass,Meccano Ltd suffered the same problems with inferior steel as well. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Matt black AFAIK. Mine is for certain. I'll post a picture, if I can find which box she's in. As regards the Budgie 0-6-0T. This was available for years (4/6d comes to mind) and all the ones I have seen were red, though I have read of a green version. The wheels were set to a narrower gauge than 00. Youthful attempts to regauge one failed miserably. It is also rather crude*. The Gaiety pannier is good in comparison. *As you can see here:- http://essexmodelsan...uk/blog/?cat=23 I had a Budgie Jinty, I'd completely forgotten about it until now. I beleive mine was new to me and I wasn't born until 75 so it must have been a long lived toy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Taylor & McKenna's N2 looks like the Tri-ang one, which would explain the plugged keyhole in the tank. The motor in the Gaiety pannier looks like the original Gaiety one. The Gaiety chassis exists in several variations (none particularly good). I'll see what I can dig out and post - I still haven't found my Gaiety N2, but I now have another.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I had a Budgie Jinty, I'd completely forgotten about it until now. I beleive mine was new to me and I wasn't born until 75 so it must have been a long lived toy The Budgie Jinty was still on sale in WH Smith's kiosk on Brighton Station in the late 1970s, as was the same manufacturer's London Bus (and possibly a black cab?). The Great British Souvenir market prolonged their life. (You could also buy "London" Postcards in Brighton! ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Taylor & McKenna's N2 looks like the Tri-ang one, which would explain the plugged keyhole in the tank. The motor in the Gaiety pannier looks like the original Gaiety one. The Gaiety chassis exists in several variations (none particularly good). I'll see what I can dig out and post - I still haven't found my Gaiety N2, but I now have another.) Hi David... The running number is the same as the Trackmaster loco in the set, and the lettering certainly doesn't look cast-in. So, very likely a Trackmaster Body. The Gaitey Chassis were a bit of a work of art...Castle Arts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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