Trevor H Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Also the Cab door windows have bars over them, were any other 29s so fitted? 6103, 6106, 6107 & 6123 were only ones fitted with window bars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 6103, 6106, 6107 & 6123 were only ones fitted with window bars. Very useful info, many thanks! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The yellow peak is still visible up to at least September 1969 in a photo I have, and I think probably remained under all the muck to the end. You can see how the yellow fades into dirt in this shot. https://flic.kr/p/o41SrK Nice photo, not seen that one before thanks. 6107 retained a clearly yellow peak into 1971 if the date here is correct: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johngreyturner/3974312301/ Whereas the second photo I posted above seems to show it gone (The building work on the depot may help those "in the know" to date it?) Hence wondering if it had been painted over at a late stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted March 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2017 Nice photo, not seen that one before thanks. 6107 retained a clearly yellow peak into 1971 if the date here is correct: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johngreyturner/3974312301/ Whereas the second photo I posted above seems to show it gone (The building work on the depot may help those "in the know" to date it?) Hence wondering if it had been painted over at a late stage. I don't think the date of that photo can be correct as it still has the D prefixes and no data panels. Both changes had taken place by the time of your second original photo and the loco was withdrawn in that condition in October 1971. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2015/post-4697-0-90935500-1424824468.jpg There is no yellow visible up the cab corners either, so I'm minded to think that the area above the windows was just very dirty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubaimike Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 The D6121 / D6122 mystery / conspiracy is well documented here .... https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/diesels/loco.htm?id=diesels/D6121 Identities were swapped over to hide some wasted expenditure, in much the same way that the Identities of the Titanic and Olympic were swapped to defraud the insurance companies.[/quote The thread you link to is an interesting one, it provides strong indications that the locos swapped cabs at least. Maybe they changed identities completely, but the suggestion that this was done to hide wasted expenditure is one person's hypothesis. It's not proven. I would be surprised if an organisation that was about to begin discarding a host of then almost new diesels was concerned about hiding the expense incurred in trying to improve one individual machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I don't think the date of that photo can be correct as it still has the D prefixes and no data panels. Both changes had taken place by the time of your second original photo and the loco was withdrawn in that condition in October 1971. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2015/post-4697-0-90935500-1424824468.jpg There is no yellow visible up the cab corners either, so I'm minded to think that the area above the windows was just very dirty. I can at least confirm that as I'm the original photographer the image of 6107 at Eastfield in August 1971 it is dated correctly................just thought I'd check http://www.rmweb.co....-1424824468.jpg Warning: Unknown: 1 result set(s) not freed. Use mysql_free_result to free result sets which were requested using mysql_query() in Unknown on line 0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I don't think the date of that photo can be correct as it still has the D prefixes and no data panels. Both changes had taken place by the time of your second original photo and the loco was withdrawn in that condition in October 1971. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2015/post-4697-0-90935500-1424824468.jpg There is no yellow visible up the cab corners either, so I'm minded to think that the area above the windows was just very dirty. Thanks for pointing that out, yes I should have spotted the D and lack of data panel, perils of assuming the caption was correct, I must have stopped concentrating for a moment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I can at least confirm that as I'm the original photographer the image of 6107 at Eastfield in August 1971 it is dated correctly................just thought I'd check http://www.rmweb.co....-1424824468.jpg Thanks BrushVeteran, and a big "thankyou" for all your superb photos; as I model c.1970 West Highland practice they are a valuable resource for livery info etc, brilliant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Just to add to this thread, I can confirm that D6132 was shopped from St.Rollox in fresh two tone green and full yellow ends in August 1970. I saw it both in the St.Rollox paint shops and again a few days later in service at Eastfield. I do have an appalling Instamatic slide of this, and will scan and post if at all reasonable. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2017 That sounds as bonkers as Swindon shopping D838 in maroon after they had done several in blue John Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Just to add to this thread, I can confirm that D6132 was shopped from St.Rollox in fresh two tone green and full yellow ends in August 1970. I saw it both in the St.Rollox paint shops and again a few days later in service at Eastfield. I do have an appalling Instamatic slide of this, and will scan and post if at all reasonable. John. I can confer as I was visiting St.Rollox at the end of August 1970 and yes there were also other green repaints in progress. 5335, 5355 & 5370 were undergoing repaints after 'unclassified repairs', although the guide referred to 'touch-up & varnish' as they would be due for 'classified overhauls' within the next twelve months. 6132 I assume was destined for a short life expectancy at that time and with the closure of Inverurie Works no further 'classified repairs' on this class were taking place. I remember spotting 6108 at Inverurie Works in 1970 but had to underline it in my 1969 IA spotters book as at had already been withdrawn, so not in the then current edition..............have just checked this again! The 29's were quite an 'unloved' class really mainly due to fires from oil contamination and generator flashovers. I hope the new proposed model proves more successful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 1970's Bradford Barton book "Diesels in the Highlands" claims that reliability issues aside, Loco Crew's preferred the Class 29's nice warm cabs and better ride quality over the BRCW type 2's. Very warm cabs when they overheated I presume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Strathwood Posted March 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2017 I can confer as I was visiting St.Rollox at the end of August 1970 and yes there were also other green repaints in progress. 5335, 5355 & 5370 were undergoing repaints after 'unclassified repairs', although the guide referred to 'touch-up & varnish' as they would be due for 'classified overhauls' within the next twelve months. 6132 I assume was destined for a short life expectancy at that time and with the closure of Inverurie Works no further 'classified repairs' on this class were taking place. I remember spotting 6108 at Inverurie Works in 1970 but had to underline it in my 1969 IA spotters book as at had already been withdrawn, so not in the then current edition..............have just checked this again! The 29's were quite an 'unloved' class really mainly due to fires from oil contamination and generator flashovers. I hope the new proposed model proves more successful! I hear several have already burnt out their chips whilst on test... Only joking, good luck Dapol with your project. By the way Crewe were still sending out Class 20s,40s and 47s as green touch ups as late as September 1971. By the time of my next visit to the works everything sent was in blue. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Barnes and Bell (Coatbridge) received a batch of class 29s for scrapping in 1968, having been withdrawn in December 1967, numbers D6104, D6125, D6127, D6134, D6136 and D6143. I remember going round Kipps shed around this time and there was a line of 21s stored there, unfortunately I didn't retain detailed notes, It would kind of make sense that these ones scrapped at Barnes and Bell would have been the ones in Kipps, Can anyone confirm? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2017 Hi Jim Those were 21s scrapped in 1968 Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Hi Jim Those were 21s scrapped in 1968 Cheers Phil My typo - of course they were, I think that they may have been in Kipps for a while before being towed the short distance to Barnes and Bell Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I have often wondered if the much quoted Class 21 in blue, D6109 was actually a 29 all along. If you look at the body of a 21 there is a window between the three grilles and the two grilles. On a 29 there is an extra grille there.D6109 looks like a 29 as it has the grille and not the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 26, 2018 I have often wondered if the much quoted Class 21 in blue, D6109 was actually a 29 all along. If you look at the body of a 21 there is a window between the three grilles and the two grilles. On a 29 there is an extra grille there. D6109 looks like a 29 as it has the grille and not the window. Hi Russell Wasn't D6109 modified ready to be given a Paxman engine but the program was halted so it was a class 29 on the outside but retained its MAN-NBL lump so was still a 21. The prototype for the Hornby hybrid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I dunno Clive, that's certainly possible. Do you have a source for that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Although wouldn't both things, the exterior mods and re-engine be done together? I just don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hi Russell Wasn't D6109 modified ready to be given a Paxman engine but the program was halted so it was a class 29 on the outside but retained its MAN-NBL lump so was still a 21. The prototype for the Hornby hybrid. Although wouldn't both things, the exterior mods and re-engine be done together? I just don't know. Body modifications were done to D6109 to make it into a 29, but they couldn't fit the new Paxman engine due to frame damage, so it received a refurbished MAN engine instead, remaining (mechanically) as a 21. This has already been covered earlier in this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/47894-sad-eyed-people-the-class-21-and-29-livery-resource/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1795507 HTH Moxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Body modifications were done to D6109 to make it into a 29, but they couldn't fit the new Paxman engine due to frame damage, so it received a refurbished MAN engine instead, remaining (mechanically) as a 21. This has already been covered earlier in this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/47894-sad-eyed-people-the-class-21-and-29-livery-resource/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1795507 HTH Moxy Thanks that's cleared that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 One other thing, may have missed it but in a post above it lists a number of 29s as receiving FYE on green. All the refurbished ones that di not go blue did including 6113. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just found a phot on D6125 in Diesels and Electrics on Shed Volume 4 - Scottish Region (plate 146). It's purported to have been taken at Parkhead in August 1965 and shows it in all-over green with the secondmans window missing (boiler end) and what appears to be fairly extensive collision damage to the trailing cab. Could this be it? https://www.flickr.com/photos/23974101@N07/25566043178/in/pool-60sdiesels/?fbclid=IwAR1wSJdiiC0MC0GUBb5aHZUfXaMAvSPIsSZ2HS6pibWSo7J1efKtoQLiWPI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubaimike Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Hi Steve, I know D6127 was damaged by fire but do you know what happened to D6151? Are there any pictures? D6127 and D6151 were definitely scrapped in all over green and I understand D6125 may also have ended its days without getting yellow panels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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