RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 21, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2012 I started this musing, 2 1/2 years ago on the previous forum, having recently bought the excellent Dapol 66720 my thoughts have returned to (possibly (unlikely knowing me !)) making a small, but interesting to operate, layout. Spawd Bone Lane is actually Knottingley East Junction, my fictious name comes from a local (to KY) street Here's what I wrote way back then The track plan is very simple consisting of 3 points and a trap there is a portacabin which supervises the level crossing but requires a release from Ferrybridge Power box before the gates can be opened. The chord is bi-directional, the down main is signalled for wrong line moves but I have never seen one. (Since writing this I have seen one but only a shunt move) To the left, off the area under consideration, local services terminate and shunt forward, on the up line towards the signal to the right, on the prototype there is just enough room for a 4 vehicle unit, 2 X 158s maximum, they then reverse and head back to form the next service, this can be either using the chord (there are connections to facilitate this off scene) or the down main line. Coal trains (loaded and empty) pass through on the main lines and also use the chord in both directions, My thoughts for this plan are to assume there is a cross country type passenger service on the main lines, a further infrequent local one on the chord and use a bigger variety of freight, the terminating locals will become alternate terminators and through services Time for some more musing about what size boards would do it justice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Dave Will it get past the planning stage? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 21, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2012 Dave Will it get past the planning stage? Pete Don't be so picky ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Will it be in N or 00? I know you said "small" in the above but I have never seen you do anything in a small way before. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 21, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2012 Will it be in N or 00? I know you said "small" in the above but I have never seen you do anything in a small way before. Pete N gauge most likes, until Widnes is finished with and the stock returns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I will be following this with interest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 21, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2012 Signalling looks alright for that part of the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 30, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2012 Bit more musing on this, the fiddle yard needs to be able to feed into the single line section from either side, as it's bi-directional, so I've been considering a flyover - none of this will be on the scenic section. Sketch - NOT to any form of scale or necessarily exactly how the track will lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 31, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2012 The only thing I'm wondering about the flyover is what sort of gradient you will have and whether any trains of the size you have in mind will be able to get up it? (that apart it's a clever idea and i like it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 31, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2012 The only thing I'm wondering about the flyover is what sort of gradient you will have and whether any trains of the size you have in mind will be able to get up it? (that apart it's a clever idea and i like it). Thats the bit that concerns me too - but at least I'm musing the right direction !, it's the nearest to building my own layout I've been in many years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'd have thought that the double slips in the FY would give you the flexibility you need without the flyover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 31, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'd have thought that the double slips in the FY would give you the flexibility you need without the flyover. True but at the expense of simultaneous running, that solution is the fall back one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 1, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2012 With regard to gradients - you've got up chord (from fiddle yard to flyover) going wide with a long run up, so best use of the space there to minimise the incline. Once over the main lines, it can drop fairly severely as trains (I presume) will only be going down and not up that section, until it joins the down chord to form the bi-directional line. You could even bring the up chord over the down chord as well and drop it down on the inside - especially if it's all out of view. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 1, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2012 With regard to gradients - you've got up chord (from fiddle yard to flyover) going wide with a long run up, so best use of the space there to minimise the incline. Once over the main lines, it can drop fairly severely as trains (I presume) will only be going down and not up that section, until it joins the down chord to form the bi-directional line. You could even bring the up chord over the down chord as well and drop it down on the inside - especially if it's all out of view. it's bi-drectional so potentially trains will be going in both directions, but possibly only units in the uphill direction. I've shown this musing, it's pretty rough at the moment, to give an idea as to how I approach the design of fiddle yards, not just a fan of sidings but some genuine thought (as much as I can muster anyway!) into making sure the fiddle yard supports the traffic the scenic section needs, this is an important point that a lot of modellers miss, imho. Some more doodling and then it may be time to use a proper planning package to see what size boards would be needed to get something reasonable in the space, if the domestic plans come off over this year I will have plenty of room at home so it's then down to managable size for one "man" to build, and possibly to transport if I decide to actually build it, and if so, make it exhibitable. I was at the prototype location (Knottingley East) again over last weekend and the more I see it the more I like it, a unit shunt and a couple of light engine shunt moves whilst I was there, along with a coal passing through (wasn't there for too long as I was chasing 66720 elsewhere!, in fact 720 will be passing there in the next few hours, as it's at Drax at the moment). So maybe ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 1, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2012 it's bi-drectional so potentially trains will be going in both directions, but possibly only units in the uphill direction. Should've realised that it's also for access to the "up" side of the yard, whilst travelling in the down direction - one of theose "DOH!" moments...... I hope your plans work out. It's about time I started with the next project - thinking about an infrastructure yard bias. If you have any photos of Whitemoor ???? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 28, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2012 Having spent a couple of days over at Milford and around the area generally I've now pretty much decided that this will be built, just need to get some space sorted and then ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyrush Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Should've realised that it's also for access to the "up" side of the yard, whilst travelling in the down direction - one of theose "DOH!" moments...... I hope your plans work out. It's about time I started with the next project - thinking about an infrastructure yard bias. If you have any photos of Whitemoor ???? Cheers, Mick Here's a picture of Whitemoor - probably not what you had in mind though! Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 29, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 29, 2012 P4 Whitemoor anyone? Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 29, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 29, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 ......and there was me going to ask if it would fit on an 6x4 board in 00 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted March 13, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2012 The announcement of the 70 in N gauge means it's time to get on with this, acquisitions are starting today. Currently the stock stands at 66152 66720 1 BDA I think I might need a bit more ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Currently the stock stands at 66152 66720 1 BDA I think I might need a bit more ! Nah, you just need to position a few mirrors in the right places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted March 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2012 Looking forward to seeing this come to fruition Dave. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted March 13, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2012 A 67, some MBAs, some PCAs ordered from my old "local" model shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted March 15, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2012 Hi Dave Don't know if you need some more MBAs but this guy has listed some on E*ay which are (currently) cheap: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/toshtiger/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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